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True, forgot to qualify the statement. But the point's that the number probably isn't going to be a huge amount more. Maybe add an order of magnitude. Four is a stretch..
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Is it possible we have a bigger problem with juvenile violence? It certainly SEEMS possible to me.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Jacob's parents sound like they got what they deserved, btw.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Perhaps we have a lower tolerance as well. I can think of a few countries in Africa with some 9 year olds that would make >insert genocidal maniacs of your choice here< blush.
Agreed, I am glad you agree most violent/sex offenders in our system deserve such a fate.Jacob's parents sound like they got what they deserved, btw."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Teens charged in shooting death of 2-year-old girl staged ‘dry run’ first, prosecutor says
By DAWN BORMANN
The Kansas City Star
Hernandez
Hernandez
* Video from the Associated Press NBC Action News
The drive-by wasn’t random, the prosecutor told the judge.
Two teenagers performed a “dry run” of a shooting before carrying out the gang-related crime that killed 2-year-old Yelena Guzman, Wyandotte County District Attorney Jerome Gorman said at a court hearing Monday.
The practice was an attempt “to make sure they had the right house and something wouldn’t go wrong in the middle of it,” he said.
Gorman brought up that detail to stress the need to keep Luis Gonzalez, 15, and Daniel Perez, 16, in police custody. They are charged with first-degree murder and discharging a firearm into an occupied dwelling.
Gorman said the teens could be a flight risk and a danger to the community if released.
Wyandotte County District Judge David Boal accepted his recommendation.
The case has rattled the community so much that Perez’s mother took the unusual move of asking for her son to remain in police custody for the protection of himself and her family. The family has received threats since the two were charged Friday.
“We don’t believe that Mr. Perez would be safe if he were to be released today, so we’re not asking for him to be released,” said his attorney, Dan Cahill.
Perez has two previous convictions, including possession of a weapon and disorderly conduct.
Gonzalez’s family asked that he be released, noting that he didn’t have a criminal record and was a good student at Bishop Ward High School in Kansas City, Kan.
Gorman, though acknowledging Gonzalez’s clean background, offered a different picture. He said Gonzalez was the driver and Perez the shooter on April 3.
Perez allegedly fired several bullets into the house of Yelena’s grandparents near 17th Street and Minnesota Avenue in Kansas City, Kan.
One bullet struck Yelena, leaving the toddler on life support for nearly two days before she died. Her death came just one month before her third birthday.
Yelena’s father, Fernando Guzman, said he thought the gunman was looking for his brother-in-law, who Guzman said was involved in gang activity and was at the home when the shooting occurred.
Gorman hasn’t said whether he’ll seek to try the teens as adults. He said he would wait until he received more information from police before announcing his decision.
Gorman said others also might face charges.
If the teenagers are convicted as juveniles, they would be released when they turned 23½. If convicted as adults, they could face life prison sentences.
The hearing drew a large crowd to juvenile court, including the extended families of Gonzalez, Perez and Yelena.
As Yelena’s family left the courtroom, her father said he was bothered to see the defendants’ family members shed tears during the proceedings.
“I don’t know why,” Guzman said. “He’s alive. She’s dead.”
Guzman said the boys’ families could still visit them.
“We can never see Yelena again — never — never,” he said.
Assuming they're guilty, should these two serve life sentences?Last edited by The Mad Monk; July 25, 2007, 16:37.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Yes.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Assuming they're guilty, should these two serve life sentences?I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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When i was a kid, I was served life every breakfast.APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTOComment
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My nephew. He was a kid once.
Name: Hand,JOE EARL
Race: W
Sex: M
Age: 27
Maximum Sentence Date: 2049-12-06
Current Facility: FERGUSON
Projected Release Date: 2049-12-06
Parole Eligibility Date: 2024-12-06
Current Offense Data:
Offense Date Offense Sentence Date County Case No. Sentence (Y-MM-DD)
1999-03-26 AGG ROBBERY 2000-07-13 DALLAS F-9954433-ML 50-00-00Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Re: Kids Serving Life
With current US gun laws, yes.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Are American teenagers really that much more dangerous?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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He's the same age as meOriginally posted by SlowwHand
My nephew. He was a kid once.
Name: Hand,JOE EARL
Race: W
Sex: M
Age: 27
Maximum Sentence Date: 2049-12-06
Current Facility: FERGUSON
Projected Release Date: 2049-12-06
Parole Eligibility Date: 2024-12-06
Current Offense Data:
Offense Date Offense Sentence Date County Case No. Sentence (Y-MM-DD)
1999-03-26 AGG ROBBERY 2000-07-13 DALLAS F-9954433-ML 50-00-00
25 year minimum sentance? He went in at 19 and has no chance of getting out till he's 44? That's insane, up to 50 years total possible? Insaner still. Do something silly at 19 and possibly be in prison till you're 69...
It's a bad crime, I'd never have done anything like that but still... most of us are still a bit stupid at 19.
Sorry sloww. Tricky question, but would you say he deserved it? I mean was he misguided but generally an ok guy?Comment
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QFTOriginally posted by Arrian
I would imagine that in some other countries, they'd simply be killed, instead of being kept in prison for life.
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Yes.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Teens charged in shooting death of 2-year-old girl staged ‘dry run’ first, prosecutor says
By DAWN BORMANN
The Kansas City Star
Hernandez
Hernandez
* Video from the Associated Press NBC Action News
The drive-by wasn’t random, the prosecutor told the judge.
Two teenagers performed a “dry run” of a shooting before carrying out the gang-related crime that killed 2-year-old Yelena Guzman, Wyandotte County District Attorney Jerome Gorman said at a court hearing Monday.
The practice was an attempt “to make sure they had the right house and something wouldn’t go wrong in the middle of it,” he said.
Gorman brought up that detail to stress the need to keep Luis Gonzalez, 15, and Daniel Perez, 16, in police custody. They are charged with first-degree murder and discharging a firearm into an occupied dwelling.
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Guzman said the boys’ families could still visit them.
“We can never see Yelena again — never — never,” he said.
Assuming they're guilty, should these two serve life sentences?
They're sick bastards.Comment
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this is not "something silly".Do something silly at 19 and possibly be in prison till you're 69...
Something silly is pushing a person in a pool, or shooting a water gun at passers by.
I'm terribly sorry for sloww as an uncle, but a serious crime is indeed a serious crime.
Though I would agree that 25 years until parole, and 50 years total is very harsh, if no one was hurt in the robbery.Comment
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cinnamon life = bestest cereal EVEROriginally posted by Perfection
When i was a kid, I was served life every breakfast.Comment
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Well according to Robert Epstein's analysis of the problem in his book, The Case Against Adolescence, the way we treat youth in this country (i.e. denying them meaningful, productive roles in society) creates an environment that fosters criminality. It is an issue throughout western society but markedly worse in the US.Originally posted by Arrian
Is it possible we have a bigger problem with juvenile violence? It certainly SEEMS possible to me.
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