Panic in New York!

[GePap]

Originally posted by Hueij
In our (Dutch) papers it was mentioned that the Empire State Building is using this system. Is that true?

According to the Con Ed, the utility that provides the steam, Yes:

Con Edison's steam system provides service to more than 1,800 customers in Manhattan from the Battery to 96th Street.

Our commercial and residential customers use steam for heating, hot water, and air conditioning.

The winter peak sendout is nearly 12.5 million pounds per hour.

Steam sales account for about 7 percent of total Con Edison revenues.

Steam traveling through Con Edison's system is used to heat and cool some of New York's most famous addresses – the United Nations complex, the Empire State Building, and the Metropolitan Museum of Art are just a few.

http://www.coned.com/newsroom/energysystems_steam.asp

[Elok]

I notice your posts are mostly short ones, Moby. Is it because you're typing them with one hand, perhaps?

[LordShiva]

Why do people have their heaters on at this time of year?

[Jon Miller]

Women.

JM

[GePap]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Why do people have their heaters on at this time of year?

As noted, the steam is also used in air conditioning.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
But you don't deny that the US population is living in a state of constant fear and paranoia in their own country...?

What a difference a thread makes (apologies to the gorgeous and talented Dinah Washington, AMERICAN singing star):

Oh yeah, this thread.

All that is wrong about Poly in one perfect, spiteful package...

...Secondly, as usual it decends into spite and bile between posters, but then given the sheer ignorance of the subject matter that is hardly surprising.

Thirdly, it is interesting that when you remove certain nasty rivalries by hounding out or generally making the place so bad that people don't want to post here anymore - new ones quickly become established to fill the void...

Is it any wonder why this site is slowly dying, when nasty threads like these are allowed to be posted with the encouragement of the moderators?

Talk about Circle Jerk...

Who could have made that post ?

[MOBIUS]

Why Molly, you appear to be dangerously close to 'discussing the poster' there. You know that's not allowed...

Surely more would be gained from tackling the subject at hand, namely how the government of the world's most powerful nation has seemingly managed to turn its population into gibbering wrecks who soil their pants at the merest hint of danger because of this constant drumbeat about the 'War on Terror' feeding their paranoia...

Hence I haven't the foggiest idea why you seek to connect two totally unconnected issues.

[Arrian]

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MOBIUS


Hence I haven't the foggiest idea .

Shock and awe.

...you seek to connect two totally unconnected issues

Not really. The evident hypocrisy of the post from the other thread was quite striking at the time.

That this thread was then made and the previous post 'forgotten' was really just too tempting an opportunity for someone like me who enjoys spotting hypocrisy in action and highlighting it.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Not really. The evident hypocrisy of the post from the other thread was quite striking at the time.

That this thread was then made and the previous post 'forgotten' was really just too tempting an opportunity for someone like me who enjoys spotting hypocrisy in action and highlighting it.

Careful Molly, Asher got banned for doing exactly the same thing to LotM as you are doing to me...

Oh wait, talking of hypocrisy and double standards, of course absolutely nothing will happen to you at all...

I see no hypocrisy whatsoever: One is a thread where I am commenting on the spiteful attacks using a thinly veiled vehicle of homophobic abuse. Whereas this is merely an observation of the irony that the population of most powerful nation in the world has been rendered paranoid and full of fear in their own country, of the slightest incident by the very government that is claiming to 'protect' it...

If you want to accuse me of something, accuse me of posting yet another 'told you so' thread, or whatever these threads are called on Poly these days.

Still if you want to twist those two things into an apparent personal vendetta against me as it appears, then be my guest - just be careful Ming doesn't ban you for it for 'attacking the poster' if he's feeling like it today...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MOBIUS

Still if you want to twist those two things into an apparent personal vendetta against me as it appears, then be my guest

I recalled the previous post from the 'Homosexuality' thread and its wording when I saw this thread.

Though you may find the notion of me having a 'personal vendetta' against you flattering, let me assure you I don't.

I simply don't like cant and hypocrisy, no matter which post or thread it appears in.

What you said in the previous thread:

the sheer ignorance of the subject matter

what you claimed in the first post of the thread you made:

Who needs Al-Qaeda when you've got your own city authority letting things blow up and kill people...

What it actually was:

Consolidated Edison of New York (Con Ed) operates Con Edison Steam Operations, the largest commercial district heating system in the United States.

A good troll should at least have facts on its side, not ignorance.

Poor taste, poor fact-checking-

All that is wrong about Poly in one perfect, spiteful package...

as was posted in another thread.

And finally Esther:

Is it any wonder why this site is slowly dying, when nasty threads like these are allowed to be posted

The irony.

[Ming]

Hey you two... enough with your little cat fight.
If you two can't play nice, you will both get restricted.

[Thoth]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Why do people have their heaters on at this time of year?

Steam is also used as a heat source for domestic hot water in commercial buildings.

District heating and cooling is quite common as boilers and chillers are expensive to install, operate and maintain. For many facilities it is cheaper to buy steam and chilled water from a large central plant than it is to produce them on site.

Toronto has a very cost efficient system that takes advantage of the cold water at the bottom of Lake Ontario. The water remains close to 5 degrees Celsius year round and so requires little or no mechanical chilling.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ming
Hey you two... enough with your little cat fight.
If you two can't play nice, you will both get restricted.

Well said Ming.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ming
Hey you two... enough with your little cat fight.
If you two can't play nice, you will both get restricted.

I fail to see how pointing out the difference between the opinions expressed in two threads by the same poster constitutes a 'cat fight'.

Especially when the first opinion expressed has a distinct bearing on the title and content of the subsequent thread.

Since when has utilising the skills learned from English comprehension constituted 'not playing nice' ?