Corruption

[Nugog]

Re: Corruption

Originally posted by VetLegion
Do you do it?

Are you going to be held responsible if he/she screws up?

[DAVOUT]

Re: Re: Corruption

Originally posted by Nugog


Are you going to be held responsible if he/she screws up?

Yes, but I also want that the rest of the staff not to suspect that I have favorite.

[Japher]

Remove yourself from the process, but don't deny them the opportunity. Friends helping friends get a job is not bad, though it can blind some one from making the right decission. Most companies here actually encourage current employees to refer friends by offering bonuses to the employee if their friend is hired. I think thought process is that like attracts like as far as friends are concerned.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Japher
Remove yourself from the process,

That is not exactly the question of the thread.

[Arrian]

Re: Corruption

Originally posted by VetLegion
Say you work for the government and have a say in the hiring process for some branch of it. In the recent hiring process one of the candidates is your high school mate. He phones you, you talk old times. He either hints or explicitly asks for a favor - give his application a push.

Do you do it?

Assuming my friend was qualified for the job, I'd most likely tell managment about my conflict of interest, but put in a good word about his/her character.

-Arrian

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ming
If my friend was qualified and right for the job... I'd hire them in a second.

DITTO

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ming


If the other candidate was marginally better on paper, I would still go with the preson I know. If my friend wasn't even close to the best, I wouldn't hire him.

PLus in the scenario, you have a "say" in the hiring process but not the absolute word. IF your friend isn't even close, your co-workers will veto or at least seriously question your recommendation of an unqualified person-- and going hard for an unqualified person could hurt your OWN career since you would lose credibility

[Flubber]

Re: Re: Corruption

Originally posted by Arrian


Assuming my friend was qualified for the job, I'd most likely tell managment about my conflict of interest, but put in a good word about his/her character.

-Arrian

I wouldn't word it that way-- as a conflict of interest-- I would just tell them as part of my recomendation how I know the person and why I am recommending them. Since I value my credibility highly, people that know me would know that I wouldn't BS them.

and thats the fact-- it could be my best friend in the world, but unless I thought they would do well in the position, I would not be pushing hard for them.

[Flubber]

Oh and generally on nepotism-- MY uncle was the manager of a construction firm and he LOVED hiring the sons and daughters of his long term employees. He swore by it and said he never had one of them that ever caused a problem.

[Arrian]

Well, one could of course argue that, since it would make mommy or daddy look bad, the kids would be under a fair amount of pressure to be extra special good.

There was a girl who worked in a department related to mine a few years back. Daughter of some bigshot in the company. She didn't work out at all - and frankly it was pretty clear she was hired because of the connection (or because she was hot, take your pick).

Unlike the Construction firm situation, the person doing the hiring was *below* the connection on the totem pole.

-Arrian

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Is this a Valerie Plame thing?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Arrian
Well, one could of course argue that, since it would make mommy or daddy look bad, the kids would be under a fair amount of pressure to be extra special good.

EXACTLY-- They would often work the same crew with their parent ( helps the workers transportaion issues to job sites)

Originally posted by Arrian


There was a girl who worked in a department related to mine a few years back. Daughter of some bigshot in the company. She didn't work out at all - and frankly it was pretty clear she was hired because of the connection (or because she was hot, take your pick).

I have seen that as well-- IT is markedly different

Originally posted by Arrian


Unlike the Construction firm situation, the person doing the hiring was *below* the connection on the totem pole.

-Arrian

And that CAN make a lot of difference. Although a bigshot will probably want their kid to do well so as to not reflect badly on them, it is unlikely underlings will raise the bigshot's kids incompetence or attitude with them.

There is no such hesitation when a boss hires a mid-level worker's offspring

[Donegeal]

Like others have said, if the person is qualified, you most likely go with them even if someone else interviewed better.

Why?

Because the person you know is a known quanity. He keeps his house clean... pays his bills... doesn't get in to trouble with the law etc... You know what to expect of the person outside of a 15-30 minute interview.