Czech castration

[Jon Miller]

Someone shouldn't be able to choose to be castrated?

JM

[Whaleboy]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
It amounts to eugenics, for one.

I don't know about that - you'd be heading into dangerous territory for sure if it could be proved that there was some kind of "paedophile" or "rapist" gene but my (albeit limited) reading in this area leads me to believe that this is the sort of behaviour that's ingrained on people at a young age.

For me, the issue is the following:

a) Effective punishment for serious sexual offences - seriously reduces the possibility of reoffending, relatively low cost to the state, high level of de-actualisation for the individual concerned while keeping him a contributing member of society.
b) A permanent solution to what could be argued to be a temporary problem, rather like the death penalty, doesn't solve the root issue of sexual violence in society.

[Kuciwalker]

As a possible sentence? No.

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[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I don't know about that - you'd be heading into dangerous territory for sure if it could be proved that there was some kind of "paedophile" or "rapist" gene but my (albeit limited) reading in this area leads me to believe that this is the sort of behaviour that's ingrained on people at a young age.

There doesn't have to be, just the possibility or intent.

a) Effective punishment for serious sexual offences - seriously reduces the possibility of reoffending, relatively low cost to the state, high level of de-actualisation for the individual concerned while keeping him a contributing member of society.
b) A permanent solution to what could be argued to be a temporary problem, rather like the death penalty, doesn't solve the root issue of sexual violence in society.

This is a good counterargument, though from a legal perspective.

[Jon Miller]

After time served, in the psychological time, it might be an option (which would allow the person to return to normal society).

Yes, I know that my suggestion would create large psychiatric wards. I think that they are needed.

JM

[Jon Miller]

I am not suggesting castration as punishment.

JM

[Kuciwalker]

If you make it an option, they can always make it a Hobson's choice - effectively choosing it for the convicted.

[Jon Miller]

Not just an option for them, depending on psychiatric involvement.

Basically, after time served, sexual criminals (little kids/violent rape) go to a psychiatric ward. There they psychologists try to make them better. As part of the treatment, castration can be suggested.

Once the doctors feel that the person won't do so again, they will be allowed back into the community.

Jon Miller

[DinoDoc]

I actually can't find anything backing Kuci's claim that the laws in Florida, et. al have been declared unconstitutional other than random whining from the ACLU.

[Whaleboy]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I don't know about that - you'd be heading into dangerous territory for sure if it could be proved that there was some kind of "paedophile" or "rapist" gene but my (albeit limited) reading in this area leads me to believe that this is the sort of behaviour that's ingrained on people at a young age.

There doesn't have to be, just the possibility or intent.

a) Effective punishment for serious sexual offences - seriously reduces the possibility of reoffending, relatively low cost to the state, high level of de-actualisation for the individual concerned while keeping him a contributing member of society.
b) A permanent solution to what could be argued to be a temporary problem, rather like the death penalty, doesn't solve the root issue of sexual violence in society.

This is a good counterargument, though from a legal perspective.

Fair enough, good link. It would seem that if you assume one commits a severe sexual offence because of some ingrained childhood trauma, a psychological solution is more appropriate.

I suppose that the same arguments applied against the death penalty would also apply against chem. castration (though I suspect the same ignorami who support the DP would support CC).

If you support chemical castration and would be happy to violate privacy and a person's dominion over their body, then you may as well prevent prisoners pumping weights for fear of the extra physical strength they attain.

[DinoDoc]

Whaleboy: FWIW, Evidence from Scandinavia suggests that chemical castration can cut rates of reoffending to 5% from more than 40%.

[Whaleboy]

Irrelevant. A bullet in the back of the head would cut reoffending rates to 0% but that's not really relevant to it's voracity as a punishment is it? Not does it answer the fundamental question of a how a society treats those that it incarcerates.

[DinoDoc]

Well how does Scandinavia treat those it incarcerates?

[SlowwHand]

Coddlers. Again, the perps get the rights, the victims get none.

[Sirotnikov]

I think that sex offenders should have a choise to either accept pills which will reduce their sexual drive, or be castrated.

If they want to reproduce, they can make semen samples.