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  • #16
    Originally posted by Odin


    The funny thing is that the English aren't that different genetically from the Welsh. Most of the Germanic genetic influence is in (IIRC) Kent and East Anglia.
    My point exactly. Therefore it is terribly un-cool for the Irish to scorn the United Kingdom ( of the British Celtic peoples ) and they should be compelled to re-join.
    "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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    • #17
      Erin go bragh!
      No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
      "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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      • #18
        Re: Did the Celts exist as a distinct people?

        Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
        Could there be said to have been a distinct "Celtic" people, or was Celtism simply a cultural movement, making them in some ways akin to mdern-day punks or goths?
        What's a 'distinct people'?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


          My point exactly. Therefore it is terribly un-cool for the Irish to scorn the United Kingdom ( of the British Celtic peoples ) and they should be compelled to re-join.
          Things tend to end badly when we try to bring the Irish into, and keep them in, the Union.

          Though its always interested me that, if the UK was a decentralised confederation along the lines of Canada, if Ireland would be tempted to rejoin or if EU membership canceled out any additional benefits of that arrangement.
          Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
          -Richard Dawkins

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          • #20
            Re: Re: Did the Celts exist as a distinct people?

            Originally posted by Sandman


            What's a 'distinct people'?
            Rab C. Nesbitts.
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            Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

            ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starchild
              Things tend to end badly when we try to bring the Irish into, and keep them in, the Union.

              Though its always interested me that, if the UK was a decentralised confederation along the lines of Canada, if Ireland would be tempted to rejoin or if EU membership canceled out any additional benefits of that arrangement.
              They'd lose their veto. Plus, an actual Confederation of the Isles (or whatever you'd call it) would see London lose a lot of its powers.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sandman
                Plus, an actual Confederation of the Isles (or whatever you'd call it) would see London lose a lot of its powers.
                Not necessarily a bad thing....
                Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                -Richard Dawkins

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Lorizael
                  If the answer to this question turns out to be no, the entire identity of a friend of mine will be shattered.
                  Is this friend USAian? If so he/she would be better off rethinking of themselves as part of that country, rather than trying to live in some mythic past that they have nothing whatsoever to do with.

                  I find the whole pan-Celtic nationalism crap extremely tedious and backward. A huge percentage of the so-called 'evil English' have 'Celtic' blood anyway, in addition to all the European and ex-Empire blood sloshing around the country.

                  Wannabe tribal identity politics.
                  Last edited by Cort Haus; July 4, 2007, 10:56.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Starchild
                    Not necessarily a bad thing....
                    Yes, there are no national assemblies in Wales or Scotland are there? No Lothian Question either.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cort Haus


                      Yes, there are no national assemblies in Wales or Scotland are there? No Lothian Question either.
                      Honey, my political opinions formed while I was steeped in highly decentralised Canadian provincial politics. The Scottish Parliament is all bread and circuses due to its hefty English subsidy. Give it some responsibilities and let if it wants to spend in Scotland, let it tax in Scotland.

                      The Welsh assembly can't even initiate its own legislation, just alter law passed by Westminister where they pertain to Wales.

                      And the West Lothian Question is the inevitable end result of a unbalanced devolution. Instead of being a proper re-assortment of the structure of the Union, devolution was a bone tossed to the Celtic Fringe to chase away the Nationalists for a decade or so. But now they've caught the bone and come back.
                      Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                      -Richard Dawkins

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                      • #26
                        I have a Scottish friend that describes their parliament as 'Petty parish council politics on a national scale'.

                        Piegate

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starchild


                          a bone tossed to the Celtic Fringe
                          Is that an invitation, you Great hunk o' sp*nk ?

                          I'll get the rubber mat ready.

                          Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                          ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                          • #28
                            There's an £11 billion pound difference between what Scotland brings in taxes to the Union and what gets spent up there.

                            As an English student, I narrowly avoided top-up fees and am sitting with £11,000 of debt after my university course where north of the border, even the £2,000 graduate fee has been scrapped.

                            Now, I err on the side against university fees. If the Scots want to give their students free education, they should have every right to. Provided they're paying for it.

                            If devolution had happened properly and sensibly, then a open and acknowledged system of distribution from the wealthy south-east of England to the rest of the Union could have been put in place.

                            While Westminister technically has the power to dissolve each and every local government from the Scottish Parliament down to individual councils, in practicality, the genie is out and the sooner we sort it out the better in the long run.

                            Cause at this rate, the Scots are going to keep wondering why they need Union with England and the English are going to get fed up with the West Lothian Question.
                            Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                            -Richard Dawkins

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by molly bloom


                              Is that an invitation, you Great hunk o' sp*nk ?

                              I'll get the rubber mat ready.

                              I'd toss you a bone anyday baby but I'm not down in London that often
                              Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                              -Richard Dawkins

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                              • #30
                                It's time to give the throne back to a noble line of genuine Celtic lineage.
                                "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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