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Could there be said to have been a distinct "Celtic" people, or was Celtism simply a cultural movement, making them in some ways akin to mdern-day punks or goths?
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Re: Did the Celts exist as a distinct people?
WTF?Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Could there be said to have been a distinct "Celtic" people, or was Celtism simply a cultural movement, making them in some ways akin to mdern-day punks or goths?
It was a language grouping, like Slavs. Almost certainly no pan-celtic state, or pan celtic consciousness. Though IIUC the period before they disperse across Western Europe is not well documented."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber -
So ancient Pekkas did beat up Celts a lot???BlahComment
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Yes, they're in civ.Comment
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If the answer to this question turns out to be no, the entire identity of a friend of mine will be shattered.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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he has an identity as a generic "celt" as opposed to being Irish, Scottish, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, Breton, or whatever?Originally posted by Lorizael
If the answer to this question turns out to be no, the entire identity of a friend of mine will be shattered."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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As far as I know he's only traced his ancestry back to being Scottish, but he happens to identify very strongly with the "Celtic" people, traditions, etc. He's learned a good bit of Gaelic, knows a lot about druids - that sort of thing.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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My dad's side of the family has sometimes refered to it as generically "celtic" since we're a mix of Welsh and Cornish mixed into Irish stock.Originally posted by lord of the mark
he has an identity as a generic "celt" as opposed to being Irish, Scottish, Scots Gaelic, Welsh, Breton, or whatever?Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
-Richard DawkinsComment
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well there was definitely a Scot Gaelic, or Highland Scots people, so I dont think he has anything to worry about.Originally posted by Lorizael
As far as I know he's only traced his ancestry back to being Scottish, but he happens to identify very strongly with the "Celtic" people, traditions, etc. He's learned a good bit of Gaelic, knows a lot about druids - that sort of thing."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I can see someone could do that, like someone of part Polish, part Russian, part Serbian origin could just say theyre "slavs" or someone of part Jewish, part Arab origin, could just say theyre semites, but it wouldnt mean that historically there was such a "people".Originally posted by Starchild
My dad's side of the family has sometimes refered to it as generically "celtic" since we're a mix of Welsh and Cornish mixed into Irish stock."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Its been my understanding that the Celts weren't a "people" and the British celts were on the fringe even back then. Nowadays, Celt more than anything means "not-English" when talking about native Britons. The descendents of the people pushed back by those dastardly sasseanach.
It seems the more British falls out of popularity as a pan-national grouping, Celtic rises. And it comes with the added benefit of excluding those oppressive English.
I've actually had txts from my aunt telling me Wales beat England in this or Ireland beat England in that and reminding me about "my celtic heritage and the english enemy".Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
-Richard DawkinsComment
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So, the english are a bunch of germans for scots and welsh?I need a foot massageComment
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The funny thing is that the English aren't that different genetically from the Welsh. Most of the Germanic genetic influence is in (IIRC) Kent and East Anglia.Originally posted by Barnabas
So, the english are a bunch of germans for scots and welsh?Comment
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Tell her Farfur was a Celt beaten to death by English aggressors.Originally posted by Starchild
I've actually had txts from my aunt telling me Wales beat England in this or Ireland beat England in that and reminding me about "my celtic heritage and the english enemy".BlahComment
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The ancient Celts are generally associated with the Hallstat and La Tene cultures of Pre-Roman conquest Iron Age Central and Western Europe, but it would be simplistic to say Hallstat/La Tene = Celts. The trend now days is to emphasize the diversity of traditions among the various groups labeled "Celtic." There is a growing school of thought that says that the Celts of the British Isles (except for a few groups of Gauls that migrated to what is now SW England from what is now the Low countries the around 300BC) were very distinct from the mainland Celts (Gauls and Celtiberians)Comment
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