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    The famous Etruscans, depicted with enigmatic smiles on their surviving statuary and monuments, may have been a branch of the Lydian Empire:



    The enigma of Italy's ancient Etruscans is finally unravelled

    DNA tests on their Italian descendants show the 'tuscii' came from Turkey.

    John Hooper in Rome
    Monday June 18, 2007

    They gave us the word "person" and invented a symbol of iron rule later adopted by the fascists. Some even argue it was they who really moulded Roman civilisation.
    Yet the Etruscans, whose descendants today live in central Italy, have long been among the great enigmas of antiquity. Their language, which has never properly been deciphered, was unlike any other in classical Italy. Their origins have been hotly debated by scholars for centuries.

    Genetic research made public at the weekend appears to put the matter beyond doubt, however. It shows the Etruscans came from the area which is now Turkey - and that the nearest genetic relatives of many of today's Tuscans and Umbrians are to be found, not in Italy, but around Izmir.
    The European Human Genetic Conference in Nice was told on Saturday the results of a study carried out in three parts of Tuscany: the Casentino valley, and two towns, Volterra and Murlo, where important finds have been made of Etruscan remains. In each area, researchers took DNA samples from men with surnames unique to the district and whose families had lived there for at least three generations.

    They then compared their Y chromosomes, which are passed from father to son, with those of other groups in Italy, the Balkans, modern-day Turkey and the Greek island of Lemnos, which linguistic evidence suggests could have links to the Etruscans.

    "The DNA samples from Murlo and Volterra are much more highly correlated to those of the eastern peoples than to those of the other inhabitants of [Italy]," said Alberto Piazza of the University of Turin, who presented the research. "One particular genetic variant, found in the samples from Murlo, was shared only with people from Turkey."



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    So, basically this confirms what has been supposed by many since Antiquity. The more important enigma is when and how they got to Italy, which cannot be unraveled simply by genetic research. Also, it seems that they developped a quite unique culture, the obvious oriental element notwithstanding, thus claiming they were anything like "a branch" of whoever doesn't seem to fit very well.

    Just nitpicking.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Wernazuma III
      So, basically this confirms what has been supposed by many since Antiquity. The more important enigma is when and how they got to Italy, which cannot be unraveled simply by genetic research. Also, it seems that they developped a quite unique culture, the obvious oriental element notwithstanding, thus claiming they were anything like "a branch" of whoever doesn't seem to fit very well.

      Just nitpicking.
      Well, the orientalising decorations etc. were popular from Sardinia all the way to Iran when the Etruscans developed their culture

      I had a course on this last year... if only I could still remember the contents lol
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      • #4
        So are they going to rename Tuscancy as Etruscany?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wernazuma III

            Also, it seems that they developped a quite unique culture, )
            I think this could be explained by geographic and cultural separation from the homeland or points of origin.

            The Lydians who settle in Italy become isolated from the Lydians who lived in what is now modern day Turkey, end up next to Celtic settlements, are exposed to the Latin peoples and Greeks and Phoenicians, so a different set of influences start to act on an isolated cultural/linguistic group.
            Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cort Haus
              So are they going to rename Tuscancy as Etruscany?
              Where do you thin Tusacany comes from?
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              • #8
                This falls quite well together with Aeneid, the general systems collapse of late 13th century BC, sea people, the collapse of Hittite empire and probably some other important events in that time.
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