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  • #31
    Again, one of the things he states is this:

    These new findings suggest that changes in the output of the sun caused the most recent climate change.


    This is contradicted by a cursory search through the literature. By one of very the guys that he cited.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Dauphin
      The guy is talking about cosmic rays... yep, that's going to provide more energy than things that create entire eco-systems.

      But then that isn't my point. It's the energy balance. Non-solar sources have huge effects on it.
      Does geothermal energy have a significantly varying effect on the energy balance? (Apart from eruptions throwing dust into the air.)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ramo
        Again, one of the things he states is this:

        These new findings suggest that changes in the output of the sun caused the most recent climate change.


        This is contradicted by a cursory search through the literature. By one of very the guys that he cited.
        That might be, but as far as I know, then the scientific method isn't dogmatic - that is, while a point may be considered proven, it is only that until other facts prove it wrong.

        If this guy thinks that he have facts that disputes other findings he have every rigth to both express them and challenge the old theories.

        By citing someone I assume that certain points are referred, not all what that person may have expressed (that is actually the only way I know - referring to specifics).
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        • #34
          A whole lot of heat is produced by the decay of radioactive elements in the mantle. That's what drives the mantle convection that leads to plate tectonics...
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ramo
            A whole lot of heat is produced by the decay of radioactive elements in the mantle. That's what drives the mantle convection that leads to plate tectonics...
            Quite true, but how much of that have an impact on the climate ?
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            • #36
              We won't know if the planet is cooling, even when it does so. Our ability to measure the global climate is severely constrained by a lack of reliable temperature data.

              Try looking to www.surfacestations.org and see what I mean . Micro-site warming problems are just one of many issues that have not been tackled.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by BlackCat
                Quite true, but how much of that have an impact on the climate ?
                More importantly, a variable impact on the climate.

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                • #38
                  That might be, but as far as I know, then the scientific method isn't dogmatic - that is, while a point may be considered proven, it is only that until other facts prove it wrong.

                  If this guy thinks that he have facts that disputes other findings he have every rigth to both express them and challenge the old theories.

                  By citing someone I assume that certain points are referred, not all what that person may have expressed (that is actually the only way I know - referring to specifics).
                  What the hell are you talking about? This guy didn't present any facts (and this is clearly not an area of his expertise).

                  He referenced (sort of) two papers that he claims backs up his theory. One of the authors wrote a paper expressing precisely the opposite view.

                  The major problem with his so-called argument is that he spent exactly one sentence backing up his view. He didn't cite any specifics at all. He's either an idiot or intellectually dishonest.

                  Quite true, but how much of that have an impact on the climate ?
                  I have no idea. That's what Google Scholar is for.
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                  • #39
                    More importantly, a variable impact on the climate.

                    I have no idea. That's what Google Scholar is for.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Ramo


                      What the hell are you talking about? This guy didn't present any facts (and this is clearly not an area of his expertise).

                      He referenced (sort of) two papers that he claims backs up his theory. One of the authors wrote a paper expressing precisely the opposite view.

                      The major problem with his so-called argument is that he spent exactly one sentence backing up his view. He didn't cite any specifics at all. He's either an idiot or intellectually dishonest.
                      To quote you "What the hell are you talking about?" This guy expresses opinions that differs from yours based upon results from his research area and then you claim he doesn't present any facts ? Are you a moron ??? Have you read the OT at all ? I seriously doubt it.

                      I have no idea. That's what Google Scholar is for.
                      Yep, Google Scholar is the prime source for thuth - don't belive anything that they can't confirm even if there are data that contradicts GS.
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                      • #41
                        To quote you "What the hell are you talking about?" This guy expresses opinions that differs from yours based upon results from his research area and then you claim he doesn't present any facts ? Are you a moron ??? Have you read the OT at all ? I seriously doubt it.
                        Christ, you're dense. He didn't substantiate the argument I quoted in the least. His own research was irrelevant to that conclusion. To quote you:
                        "Are you a moron ??? Have you read the OT at all ? I seriously doubt it."

                        Yep, Google Scholar is the prime source for thuth - don't belive anything that they can't confirm even if there are data that contradicts GS.
                        Do you even know what Google Scholar is?
                        Last edited by Ramo; June 21, 2007, 21:39.
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                        • #42
                          Climatologists already take the 75-90 year, 200-500 year, and 1100-1500 cycles into thier models.

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                          • #43
                            Good to see the Poly level of debate is high as usual.

                            The next battleground seems to be the reliability of the surface temperature readings. The sceptics seem to be winning this one.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Doddler

                              The next battleground seems to be the reliability of the surface temperature readings. The sceptics seem to be winning this one.
                              Just like how the creationists question radiometric dating of rocks?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Dauphin
                                The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of all energy on the planet.


                                Shame the guy can't be intellectually honest.
                                Seems like a pretty defensible statement, actually. Excepting tidal and maybe geothermal sources, human energy production is dependent on current solar energy output, stored energy orginally produced by the sun or the use of heavy elements orginally produced by stars.
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