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Plucky democracy-loving Brits defend Europe from EU-Aggressor-Fascists
Originally posted by Sprayber
From my viewpoint, it doesn't seem that the elites are listening to the ordinary people on what they actually want.
This is basically my viewpoint too. The elites seem to have contempt for ordinary people. I don't necessarily oppose the idea of closer integration, but the currently existing mechanisms of the EU are a problem, and the elite is completely detatched from ordinary people.
Re: Re: Plucky democracy-loving Brits defend Europe from EU-Aggressor-Fascists
Originally posted by BeBro
Will they now vote again and again until some day a non GOP pres is elected?
I'm not sure I get the basis for comparison.
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Mea culpa. You were just funposting. Carry on then.
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For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by molly bloom
But then, which politicians are 'of the people' any more ?
And of which people ?
The collapse of ideology and the growth of 'management' style politics has lead to a disconnect between the populous and the politicians generally.
It seems particularly true in European politics, where the elected body plays a minor role compared to the unelected executive, and where the Commission appears to revel in making Euro-poltics as boring and impenetrable as possible so that they can be left to get on with it without all the messy proles getting in the way.
Originally posted by Sprayber
I still don't see why any sane group of people would choose to add a whole layer of beaucracy on top of what each country already has. Is this just a scheme to guarentee that politicians of Europe will have a job to look forward to after they leave their individual countries political positions? From my viewpoint, it doesn't seem that the elites are listening to the ordinary people on what they actually want.
At least that is just an opinion from an uninformed American..
Didn't Thatcher make that exact same criticism about American federalism?
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Originally posted by BeBro
A bit trolling, but as posted later the idea that issues can be brought up only once seems strange to me.
if germany had a national referendum on something, and it didn't go the government's way. so the ruling party decided that you would have the vote again later on that year, and in the meantime they would use the resources of the state to demonise the people who voted the 'wrong' way. would you not think that this showed a complete contempt for democracy and the will of the people?
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Originally posted by C0ckney
if germany had a national referendum on something, and it didn't go the government's way. so the ruling party decided that you would have the vote again later on that year, and in the meantime they would use the resources of the state to demonise the people who voted the 'wrong' way. would you not think that this showed a complete contempt for democracy and the will of the people?
Originally posted by C0ckney
i don't know. it is rather beside the point though.
Yes, it is.
EDIT: Although it is a point that can be raised when arguing about whether plebiscites or referendums should ever be used. They're a favorite tool used by authoritarians to claim popular support.
Exactly what version of the EU gets the most support these days. The United States of Europe model or the free trade zone way.
Also who or what pays for the EU? Do countries contribute money. Are there special taxes associated with it.
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