Moore's Sicko

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Ha! Shows what you know. At his last media-whore event, he stated he's now losing weight so as to lessen the burden on our healthcare system.

He tried that already.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2005/08/hello_blubbuh_h.html

[DinoDoc]

I wonder how many lies he packed into the movie anyway.

[-Jrabbit]

Apparently Pekka's the only who has seen it.

[Kidlicious]

Re: Moore's Sicko

Originally posted by Pekka
As if it is a shocking revelation, that insurance companies in general are businesses. Businesses make profit. So the way it works is simple. You want a customer to pay for some service that they might need or do need, you make them pay the maximum amount you can get them to agree upon and then produce the service with as little as possible, in case of insurances, hells yeah there will be a fight with what the customer thought to be a trivial case.

Is it moral? No. It's horrible. It's almost like a legalized way to steal and in this case, you can't go much lower since you're playing with people's health, possibly life, at the worst time of their life when they aren't up to a fight. But we know this already. Who doesn't know how these thing work? So what's the point to begin with...

IMO you have to have someone to challenge the expense regardless of the type of system that you have.

[Pekka]

Sure. I'm not saying he is utterly wrong, I'm only saying that the show brought nothing new to the table. It doesn't mean it's worthless, it just means it's not a very good show.

And about the system, well clearly there's lots of problems with it. You should be able to trust what you've been sold and it shouldn't require you to be a laywer to be able to really understand the ins and the outs of it. Now it seems almost like a scam.

[Berzerker]

not to rain on the fatfest, but you dont need to be the picture of health to want a better health care system. Healthy people are least in need of health care...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
And about the system, well clearly there's lots of problems with it. You should be able to trust what you've been sold and it shouldn't require you to be a laywer to be able to really understand the ins and the outs of it. Now it seems almost like a scam.

Why can't people trust what they have been sold? He's not saying that people should expect insurance to pay for everything is he, when it clearly states in the policy that the insurer won't pay for everything.

[Pekka]

Berz, of course not. But it's like a fat person is giving you workout tips. It doesn't mean his advices aren't great, but it is kind of ironic.

Kid, Yeah, but that's what people do regardless. Some underlying mistrust must be alive in the subconsicious mind, however, it should be more simple when it comes to all the conditions of the insurance, a lot of people aren't that smart to really understand the deal to begin with so they just live under this assumption of being covered.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Pekka
A normal looking house. Then what was the monthly income? 8 thousand dollars! Dude, is that middle class in France? MIght be, I don't know. In here, that's filthy ****ing rich! Average monthly salary is around 2000 euros, so two people, that's 4 grand on average about for a family where both are working. I don't see where these 8 grand babies come out, that's doctors and lawyers in here man.

Que? My wife by herself makes between 5000 and 6000 USD a month, and that's not especially high. I'm a graduate student and even I make close to 2000 a month.

[Patroklos]

not to rain on the fatfest, but you dont need to be the picture of health to want a better health care system. Healthy people are least in need of health care...

Fat asses create their need for health care through their choice to be fat asses. So they can pay for it.

[Space05us]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I wonder how many lies he packed into the movie anyway.

I watched it this morning, aside from slight of hand, like showing all the good stuff from other countries and not the bad stuff, I didn't see many outright lies.


Even though the state of the American health care system isn't anything new it is something that bears repeating.


On a side note: holy **** that man is fat, not like, "ooh Im big boned" I mean like his freaking arms swim in fat. You can see his body sway as he switches direction. I demand he go on that stupid reality show with fat celebrities and become an acceptable body weight!
Maybe the steroid-popping macho man can whip him into shape inbetween sessions of beating up Screech.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Space05us
I demand he go on that stupid reality show with fat celebrities and become an acceptable body weight!
Maybe the steroid-popping macho man can whip him into shape inbetween sessions of beating up Screech.

You are a GENIUS! I remember an old show called Celebrity Sweepstakes, where the contestants bet on celebrities, and it was the celebrities who then answered the questions.

We could have a show with a lot of fat stars trying to lose weight & we could bet on the celebrity who we think will lose the most.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Que? My wife by herself makes between 5000 and 6000 USD a month, and that's not especially high. I'm a graduate student and even I make close to 2000 a month.

$60-70k a year is middle class for a single person, but fairly high middle class. Your combined income is close to 100k a year, which for two people with no kids is pretty high middle class. With kids it would be more like just somewhat high middle class.

In any event, $8k/month still has a lot of disposable income, I think is Pekka's point (or should be...) House of $200k probably goes for about 1700/month mortgage cost, other bills $1k/month, so over 5k/month for food (depends on family size, but unlikely to be over 1k/month). That still leaves 4k/month unencumbered, which is a lot... and thus not someone who should be worrying too much about health costs unless they are really sick.

[Pekka]

8000 euros you cheap bastards.

[KrazyHorse]

In any event, $8k/month still has a lot of disposable income, I think is Pekka's point (or should be...) House of $200k probably goes for about 1700/month mortgage cost, other bills $1k/month, so over 5k/month for food (depends on family size, but unlikely to be over 1k/month). That still leaves 4k/month unencumbered.

Is there some sort of pill I can take so that I don't have to pay taxes either?