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The "underground economy" in Canada has been estimated at between 5-10% of all economic activity. In the US I guarantee you it's higher...
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The "underground economy" in Canada has been estimated at between 5-10% of all economic activity. In the US I guarantee you it's higher...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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I was non plussed about the bill one way or the other but am more interested to see the political repurcussions. This pretty much spells the death of McCain in his presidential bid and has split the GOP. Much much venom spewing at Bush from most corners. What ever base loyalty he had is completely squandered at this point. It's going to be a long 1.5 years of lame duckery."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Well I freely admit that I don't know how hard it would be to enforce laws that have never been enforced. Sounds like a fun experiment though.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Well, good luck with that.
My prediction: nothing changes. The problem gets worse guaranteeing that nothing will ever change.
Americans' capacity to lie to themselves is astounding.
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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It isn't very good. The touch-back requirement is absurd, the $5000 fine is excessive, family reunification isn't prioritized, and guest workers have no path to citizenship. The Kennedy-McCain compromise almost passed last year was actually better. OTOH, this was probably the best opportunity to pass something decent (split gov't to diffuse blame, Bush in search of a legacy that isn't a complete cluster****). Hopefully there'll be fewer xenophobes in the next Congress...What was so bad about it?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The problem with it was people like Ramo, who don't take the best we're going to get if it's not perfect.Comment
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That was the problem? Really? I wasn't aware that "people like me" had votes in the Senate, that I ever asserted that the bill should have have been killed, or that the left tried to kill it (in fact, I'd wager that the vast majority of Senators voting against cloture were on the right)..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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I thought it was a good compromise. A shame to see it defeated. This will hurt the GOP, although that's neither a reason to support nor oppose the bill.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Kill them all.Why? What's your immiration plan, Patty?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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A couple more on the left and it would have passed.Originally posted by Ramo
That was the problem? Really? I wasn't aware that "people like me" had votes in the Senate, that I ever asserted that the bill should have have been killed, or that the left tried to kill it (in fact, I'd wager that the vast majority of Senators voting against cloture were on the right)...Comment
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070608/...ation_congress;_ylt=AtSt8UujOab1df3pgRvAZ_qs0NUEAll but seven Republicans voted against ending debate, with many arguing they needed more time to make the bill tougher with tighter border security measures and a more arduous legalization process for unlawful immigrants. Thirty-eight Republicans and Sen. Bernard Sanders (news, bio, voting record), a Vermont independent, opposed the procedural tactic.
All but 11 Democrats supported the move, but they, too, were holding their noses at provisions of the bill. Many of them argued it makes second-class citizens of a new crop of temporary workers and rips apart families by prioritizing employability over blood ties in future immigration.
Thirty-seven Democrats and Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record), a Connecticut independent, voted to advance the measure.
Stooopid lefties killing a good compromise...
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Yeah, it was pretty stupid of those 11 Democrats.Comment
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Funny how many of those on these boards who get all up in arms about illegal immigration don't seem to have similar L&O attitudes about pot or underage drinking and what not.
And Veyasen should take his white ass back to Europe.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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On what basis do you say they voted based on concerns coming from the left? There are right wing Dems, you know."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Wrong.A couple more on the left and it would have passed.
50-2 > 40"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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