Native Americans - villans or heroes?

[Japher]

I'm not apologizing, I'm just not going to call them villians. Impossing your rules, laws, morals on someone outside of your system doesn't mean they are criminals, it means they are different. Indians are different, they didn't ask to be displaced, or for their world to change and the lashed out against. That doesn't mean they are/were evil.

[Pekka]

No, that's exactly what you're doing.

I never said they were evil. I just said they're villains. They can lash out all the want, but the truth is, if you come to a gunfight with a bow and arrow... man, you're going to be accepting the change pretty soon.

[Japher]

They are no more a villian than were the Americans... there's two sides to every battle and the Americans were just as much murderers as were the Indians

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Pekka
Japher, that's crap man. These euros were oppressed. They were refugees at best. Refugees who didn't start to spend the hard earned dollar of the indian tribes but actually started to contribute more.

Nonsense, these so-called refugees were nothing but criminals and terrorists, which - when confronted with the line "if you don't like it here pack your bags and go to Cuba" - didn't understand the metaphor and took it literally. When arriving in the new world they noticed their error and then turned violent against the brave native Americans who just wanted to sit down and eat the "freedom fry" together.

[Pekka]

Japher, OK. So why do they get casinos? If they are as much to blame, then where is their gift to Americans? That's right, there is none.

[BeBMan]

Bah, they saved Mulder.

[Japher]

If they are as much to blame, then where is their gift to Americans?

Windtalkers!

[Pekka]

And they always say that well, Indians were free. No they weren't. They were tribalists. It just means that they were too unsophisticated for laws, I mean real laws, so the concept was totally lost not because they were so smart and free, but because they werent' smart enough.

Now, take their indoctrination of people. Some dude gives you a name like "standing in fury". And all these westerners are like woaah, that's so deep. No it isn't. It's a ****** practice, stop putting romantics into it.

Now this person has been labeled as standing in fury, what do you think will happen? He will stand in fury more often than not, because he tries to shape himself into the identity give by others. That's not freedom. how about I'll let you know what my name is, and you stfu? That's more free than not.

Just tribalism, nothing more. The fact that they rode horses and slapped mud on themselves before slaughtering defenseless people, that makes them heroes. But only in the mind of a sick apologist

[LordShiva]

Indians

[Pekka]

At least we can separate the two from the base word... Indian as LordShiva is intialainen and Indian like murdereous standing in fury would be intiaani.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I'm not entirely sure how your Foucault obsession meshes with your current line of thinking. Please reconcile and resubmit.

[Pekka]

Please stop apologizing for indiuns.

[aneeshm]

Re: Native Americans - villans or heroes?

Originally posted by Pekka
Villains. That's the shortest answer I can give you.

Let's take a look at it, we always symphatize with the underdogs, but they weren't underdogs at the very beginning. Their murderous ways was quickly noticed as a trait of the nature of tribalism infected set of mind, that would react according the the codes of naturalism and extreme rage.

Dravidians blew it. Aryans and dravidians could have lived in peace, but the dravidians never gave gave it a chance. The always blame Aryans for being cunning and full of deception, but that's the only way you coudl deal with these butchers of women and children.

They basically were the gangsters of that time, robbing people and killing them, just because they got a small loot. The only reason people still kind of take their side as good or not too bad is because there's romantics put in it. But what it really was, just tribes slapping some mud on themselves and not being able to come up with decent horse technology.

Dravidians cheated x 100 more than the settlers. I don't know why you guys give these reservations, it's not their fault, they're just heritage of the murderous tribes, but still, by doing this, you're admiting to attrocities while the other side was so pure? Hell no!

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Indians

Aryans.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Pekka
At least we can separate the two from the base word... Indian as LordShiva is intialainen and Indian like murdereous standing in fury would be intiaani.

and I bet you evil Swomi also try to seperate Jews and Ju's.