New Victim Added to 9/11 Death Toll, and Sadly, More to Follow

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by MightyTiny


Yes, that temperature range may be right for the actual september 11th event, but the fires burned in the rubble for a long time afterwards, and because of steel burning under the conditions in the rubble, temperatures can reach much higher. The conspiracy theorist assumes, arbitrarily, without basis, that the melting occurred during the impact (or explosion) event.

If you're interested, see http://www.debunking911.com/ironburns.htm

Anonymity makes for crappy credibility. Ferran uses "Another's lucid rebuttal of Professor Jones' conjectures" to try to bolster his theory. The bias of Ferran is evident from comments such as "Given the tendency of this professor's misrepresentations to give aide, comfort, and encouragement to those who have overtly declared Jihad against our pathetic country, (and who must be able to recruit more jihadists just by laughing at our domestic morons) I would be satisfied to see this "professor" tried, convicted, and executed for Treason. He breached a Trust in time of WAR. Jones' reckless remarks will probably kill as many Americans as President Bush's misuse of the word 'Crusade' has and will."

And Ferran does not explain how steel can evaporate even if it did burn. The New York Times reported steel in the debris pile that appeared to "have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures."

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/ProfMorroneOnMeltingWTCsteel.pdf

I wonder if there are any other scientists who can be identified by name who subscribe to Ferran's theory that the reason the fire was so hot was because the steel caught fire.

[Patroklos]

The New York Times reported steel in the debris pile that appeared to "have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures."

That just proves they are retards and should be ignored.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer

It wasn't sad for the Israeli Mossad agents who were caught celebrating "mission accomplished" on 9/11:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1102-07.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

What I like best is how they constantly appear to quote information from other compelling sources such as.... sister conspiracy sites

I wonder if they eventually make a closed ring, having the other sites point back to these pages to prove their reliability

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer
I neglected to mention that the vehicle headed for the George Washington Bridge which the arrested Israelis were driving was full of explosives.

Considering how any mention of this van being related to Israelis in any way is totally omitted, I'd suspect that this has nothing to do with arrested Israelis dancing on rooftops.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer

Originally posted by Oerdin
7 world trade center had it's first 18 floors heavily damaged by material from the other WTC towers which hit it with the force of a volcanic eruption. It was right across the street from the falling towers after all.

Oerdin, if damage from the collapse of the other towers really caused the collapse of WTC7, then I suggest you forward your explanation to Dr. Sunder of the NIST. He may find it helpful because he has been unable to come up with an explanation of his own. When asked by a reporter about WTC7, he replied that he and the NIST have "trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.”

http://nymag.com/news/features/16464/index6.html

This is a classic example of reading your own agenda into the statement instead of reading what the statement actually says.

The NIST is trying to use film footage and other reports to determine the exact mode of failure. They are not even contemplating any wingnut conspiracy theories. They want to pin down exactly where the collapse started, which is very difficult to do since no cameras had a horizontal view into the facade breaches.

From the cited article:
NIST did have some “preliminary hypotheses” on 7 WTC, Dr. Sunder said. “We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the structure, on the fifth to seventh floors.”

Getalife.

[Krill]

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov


Considering how any mention of this van being related to Israelis in any way is totally omitted, I'd suspect that this has nothing to do with arrested Israelis dancing on rooftops.

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Straybow
The NIST is trying to use film footage and other reports to determine the exact mode of failure. They are not even contemplating any wingnut conspiracy theories. Getalife.

True, but they have commissioned an investigation of non-wingnut theories such as "hypothetical blast scenarios" and "thermite as a possible heat source substance," apparently as a result of the inadequacy of their "preliminary hypothesis." If you don't believe me look at page 7 of this report:

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_Approach_Summary12Dec06.pdf

By the way, the estimated date for the release of their report has been pushed back again, now it's supposed to be released this fall.

[DaShi]

Here it is! Get your daily dose of crazy!

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov Considering how any mention of this van being related to Israelis in any way is totally omitted, I'd suspect that this has nothing to do with arrested Israelis dancing on rooftops.

Considering that the nationality of those arrested was kept secret, I'd suspect that the secrecy itself is a good indication that those arrested terrorists were Israelis.

[Patroklos]

Considering that the nationality of those arrested was kept secret, I'd suspect that the secrecy itself is a good indication that those arrested terrorists were Israelis.

You do realize you just validated all your detractors in this thread, right?

[molly bloom]

This thread's better than crack and L.S.D. .


Or so I'm told.

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov Considering how any mention of this van being related to Israelis in any way is totally omitted, I'd suspect that this has nothing to do with arrested Israelis dancing on rooftops.

Actually, you may have a point. Because a total of over 60 Israelis were rounded up on 9/11 and the days that followed, some of whom had served in IDF explosives ordinance units, it's quite possible that the Israelis who tried to blow up the George Washington Bridge were not the same ones who were seen dancing and celebrating "Mission Accomplished."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Oerdin
No date on that clip so it is very possible that it is taken out of context.

Here's the CNN version of the same report:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7dBZpeJD1i4

[Slaughtermeyer]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

What I like best is how they constantly appear to quote information from other compelling sources such as.... sister conspiracy sites

I wonder if they eventually make a closed ring, having the other sites point back to these pages to prove their reliability

Here's the exact same article from my first link as it appeared on a mainstream site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031202162323/http://www.sundayherald.com/37707

And basically the same story by ABC NEWS:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews...whitevan_020621.html

Even FOX NEWS mentions the arrest of the Israelis, stating that the five men "had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html

And as for the http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html site, where exactly does it appear to quote information from a sister conspiracy site or non-mainstream source?