Pekka, Man, We Need to Cure You of This (A Focault Filosofy Thread)

[Pekka]

OK the point is that the leadership isn't using power at all. The situation is like a 'self fixing' event. But obviously a lot of forces are in play. That's why I consider the power as a dynamic abstract, that no one can obtain and keep, but just tap into the stream possibly.

So when was it tapped into? When the situation was created. In order for the leaders to own power, they'd be able to thwart every single attack against them. It doesn't need a person who is more powerful to beat them. In dystopia, they can't be beaten. But if they could be beaten, it wouldn't be counter to that power. Not a counterpower. Power is flowing as a stream (abstract), so who ever can tap into that and create a new reality, and the power moves adn flows and new reality is created.

New reality is alternatives to the dystopia.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by BeBro
Don't speak in absolutes

It's only an absolute in the context of my society and culture .

[BeBMan]

ok

[Pekka]

If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

[BeBMan]

Why would you do that?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, we're just having a bit of fun, Pekka.

I swear we'll beat down the punks later. Really!!

(oh, and I like Foucault, so you should be nice to me )

[Pekka]

Who said I was upset? I just figured if you could do that, I might just give it a try.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, but we were amusing... you are just strange .

[Pekka]

No, I find the situation amusing where you have been victmized by these... things.

[Barnabas]

Pekka, why do you like a french man?

[Pekka]

His Frenchness doesn't bother me.

[VetLegion]

First, I appologize for misspelling Foucault. I didn't even think to check, it seemed natural to spell it the way I did. Secondly, I didn't know he was dead. Rest in peace. I didn't man to attack the man, only his ideas anyway.

Back to those clips. It's visible from Mars that Chomsky is the greater thinker there. He's struggling to pick up the soundbites that Foucault is producing and trying to somehow make sense of them so that he could agree or disagree. Which is not easy, obviously.

I have this feeling that Foucault never defines anything and if pushed to be more precise he would answer "define precise" or "define definition" or "your definition of precision is socially constructed and not same as mine". How can you argue with a guy like that? You can't. One reason I never liked philosophy in highschool was that all those philosophers were self-referencing, and in order to understand their specific definitions of most ordinary terms you had to dig deeply into their work.

[VetLegion]

I consider power to be something that moves, it can't be captured by an individual. It is a dynamic abstract, that flows.

Why didn't you say you were really into New Age?

[Pekka]

VetLegion, yeah, in the 10 minute video clip meant for people who know both, I mean jeesh, I wonder why you didn't get much of it.

Maybe it's not Foucault or Chomsky. Maybe it's you? And about Chomsky, million flies can't be wrong either.

[Barnabas]

Are there non relativist respected philosophers nowadays? (outside of the Catholic church)