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    I saw this on Fark...
    Be Gutsy at Work

    Tory Johnson

    Avoiding Sparks Between Parents and Nonparents

    Some of the best companies in America go to great lengths to accommodate employees with kids. Generous paid maternity and paternity leaves, on-site or backup child-care assistance, options for flexible work options, and even scholarships to send employees' offspring to college are just some of the popular benefits touted by employers. This aggressive emphasis on the family-friendly workplace is great for working parents, great for employers and great for society.

    But when you ask another group of dedicated employees -- those without kids -- for their take, you often get a different perspective. There is growing resentment in cubicles everywhere from workers without children who are fed up with what they perceive to be too much coddling of their parenting peers.

    Who's Time Is More Valuable?

    They've got a good point. None of us, including this mom of 9-year-old twins, should be dismissive of our colleagues without kids. I've seen too many instances where working moms expect accommodations because they've got to get home in time to relieve the baby sitter, or they assume it's acceptable to routinely miss meetings to take their kids to any number of after-school appointments.

    There's often an implicit -- and hugely mistaken -- assumption that those without kids can stay late because their time is not as valuable or they have nothing better to do outside the workplace. This attitude shows a disregard for personal time and priorities that may very well be no less important than tending to children.

    Companies can't afford to risk alienating their rank and file without kids, and as colleagues and coworkers we can't let this bad blood boil, either.

    Check the Attitude, Speak Up

    For starters, everyone's time must be valued the same. We must be willing to carry our fair share of the workload and recognize that flexible work arrangements -- those that allow us to work from home on occasion, leave early, or step out to attend ballet lessons and soccer games -- are accommodations, not entitlements. Certain policies and protocols don't work for every position or every department.

    While everyone should be willing to assist co-workers in times of need, that helping hand shouldn't be abused. If, as an employee without kids, you sense that urgent work is piled on you at the end of the day by the mom in the next office who says she must race out the door, it's up to you to put your foot down. In a respectful tone, try saying, "I'm sorry you have to leave before your project is finished, but I too have a commitment this evening that prevents me from staying behind to handle your load."

    Above all, the stronger your performance -- whether you're married, single, with kids or without -- the more accommodation you can ask for and may receive. Performance and results are the key drivers to winning at work.

    Tory Johnson is the CEO of Women For Hire and the workplace contributor on ABC's "Good Morning America." Connect with her at womenforhire.com.
    I was wondering...from an HR standpoint

    Do people without kids typically get paid overtime for this? And those with kids not get paid as paid? I don't see that working for salaried people really though. I never understood this part specifically. All my peers in the workplace were childless.
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    Umm, kids are a good thing for society. It is a forward thinking company that provides benefits for society in this way.

    JM
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    • #3
      this was real big in the 90's when there were worker shortages. companies went all out to bring in good workers and employess. They aren't going to roll those benefits back. Doesn't bother me as I work for companies where everyone is treated equally.

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      • #4
        Why should you be treated equally? You are doing a whole lot less for society.

        JM
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        • #5
          err, yeah thanks alot.

          the fact is the companies don't know I'm a loser who plays computer games. I could be doing charity work at an orphanage or something like that. That's far more important than just being a parent.

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          • #6
            The State Department is not your typical employer, but I woudl say here it cuts both ways. On the one hand, State is very accomodating to families, much moreso than to singles or childless couples. On the other hand, the jobs that can best boost your career in the State Department -- not just Iraq/Afghanistan tours, but domestic things like the Ops Center -- are not compatible with a normal family life. So it's kind of a wash.
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            • #7
              I would venture to say that some kids are bad for society though

              But anyway...like I tried to ask....is pay the same?
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              • #8
                I think that the jobs and activities that best boost your career aren't really compatible with a normal family life anywhere... that is why people are having kids at later and later ages (Which is also not so great for your family, when you have kids at 40 and you are two generations removed from your children).

                So there is already a selector against people with kids in the workplace, that is one of the reason why among the wealthy/educated in western society that number of children have gone down and age of first child has gone up.

                And while teenagers having children is a bad thing, waiting until you are 40 is also (it isn't healthy for the woman, for one thing). The human body is at it's best for child raising in the 20s.

                Of course, I don't have kids, am not even close to getting in a relationship to have kids, and don't see myself having kids in the forseable future (although I want some), so I am just like everyone else.

                And the reason why, even on the relationship bit, is professional related. I purely haven't had time to spend the effort that it would require me to get in a relationship.

                I mean, I hardly even talk to girls my age... I either work or relax, and while I should maybe change my relax time some... when I work real hard having very relaxing nonwork time is important.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Apocalypse
                  I would venture to say that some kids are bad for society though

                  But anyway...like I tried to ask....is pay the same?
                  As far as making society work, the children of the professionals do better than the children of the ghettos. Neither is ideal though, because professionals have traditionally had a problem finding time for their children.

                  JM
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Apocalypse
                    I would venture to say that some kids are bad for society though

                    But anyway...like I tried to ask....is pay the same?
                    At the wage-worker level, no. More hours = more pay. Also, wage-level workers tend to need to file for personal leave if they need to go take a kid to the doctor or see a school play, so family life ends up costing them money and benefits.

                    At the salary-worker level, gross pay tends to be the same. Net pay would differ, since the married person would be paying a lot more for medical coverage (covering the family). Also at the salary level, non-family workers probably get promoted more quickly because they have a greater capacity to slave for the Man.
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                    • #11
                      I do hate how I get asked to work late or weekends while the guy with kids gets to go home "because he has a family". He made that choice and (so far) I haven't but we're both working the same job so we should both have the same work requirements. Instead though the nonbreeders are told to pick up the slack.
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                      • #12
                        So, Oerdin...any immediate result when you pick up the slack? Like overtime pay or whatnot? Or is it just salary and no real effect until raises/promotions?
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                        • #13
                          When I started this gig 6 months ago I demanded to get paid over time if I had to work it. My last two jobs over the previous 4-5 years were salaried and I'd get stuck working 50 a week with no extra compensation. Yes, the guys with families got to go home after 40. I just got tired of being screwed so I negotiated a salaried base of 40 hours and extra pay for over time.
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                          • #14
                            Employeers should be able to do whatever the hell they want.
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                            • #15
                              Although I disagree with that statement:
                              This attitude shows a disregard for personal time and priorities that may very well be no less important than tending to children.
                              as I can't really think of anything more important than tending to children, I believe extra hours should be a choice in the first place, so you can ask everyone if they want to do some and the parent won't do them if they like, but then again noone should be forced to do something they don't like.
                              I've never seen much of an advantage for people with children where I worked, nor seen paid extra hours despite seeing people working a lot. I've been asked to make up for work of slaggers though, even if they had no children, and that's unfortunately part of the job.
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