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  • #16
    No you detonated the situation. And as usual didn't have a plan for what to do with the mess you created.

    And now the entire west faces a dilemma: the US stays and nothing is solved, or the US leaves and a second Afghanistan is created. Nice isn't it ?
    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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    • #17
      Yes, there was already ethnic conflicts, but we removed the police stopping those from breaking out and now want to leave.
      Who said I wanted us to leave?

      And now the entire west faces a dilemma
      Not the dilemma, that was in 2003. Good choice
      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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      • #18
        Are you tripping or something ?
        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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        • #19
          Originally posted by PLATO

          Let's not forget that Sadaam killed 3 million people to keep the religious rivalry in check in Iraq.

          Didn't the United States put Saddam in power? During the Cold War, United States had no problem propping up blood-thirsty, inhumane dictators if they were anti-communist.
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          • #20
            Why should we care about Iraq when lots of people are dieing in Darfur based on the arguements in the article MrnotFun posted?
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            • #21
              Why is an Englishman lecturing Yanks about the consequences of an American cut-and-run in Iraq when the UK has already begun theirs?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                We didn't create the situation.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Why should we care about Iraq when lots of people are dieing in Darfur based on the arguements in the article MrFun posted?

                  I agree -- we need to take serious action in Darfur.
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #24
                    Didn't the United States put Saddam in power?
                    No, not by any stretch of the imagination.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                      Why is an Englishman lecturing Yanks about the consequences of an American cut-and-run in Iraq when the UK has already begun theirs?
                      Do I have to agree with my government's policy? Should no US citizen, even say, a professor of international relations, lecture anyone on going to war without a plan? Some people aren't defined by the country of their birth.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MrFun



                        I agree -- we need to take serious action in Darfur.

                        I honestly didn't know a great deal about the crisis in Darfur (it's not like it gets a great deal of attention) until I read the book 'Slave', based on the true story of Mende Nazer, whose village was raided whilst she was a child and amidst all the slaughter was caputered and taken into slavery. Absolutely harrowing and it's a crime that the media aren't paying more attention to the genocide.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by MrFun



                          Didn't the United States put Saddam in power?
                          No. It did support him when he became an "ally" against Iran, but the US had nothing to do with his rise to power the decade before.
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                          • #28
                            US can not solve this mess. No one can. It has shifted into an internal conflict.

                            As sad as it is, there won't be a commitment up to 500k or so people to sustain the violence. Even then it would take years to build the place up and all the things that needs to be in place so they could take over peacefully.

                            It won't happen. There's no reason for the US to be stuck in what can be described as a moral or whatever debt. World doesn't work like that. World implements the reality. And the reality is, no one can sort out this mess anymore, it got out of the hand a long time ago, so what's the point staying? It'll just cost a lot of money, get many soldiers killed and wounded for the inevitable result that can't be changed.

                            I say **** it. Let them sort it out. Keep an eye to it, because chances are some scum will win the power, because the most ruthless at this point will fill in the vacuum, so it doesn't come biting back after a while.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Nikolai


                              No. It did support him when he became an "ally" against Iran, but the US had nothing to do with his rise to power the decade before.
                              Of course it wouldn't. Why would the US bother supporting him before he was in a position to take control of the government?

                              America would have supported any Joe Schmussein who was in a position to become dictator. It's not like they gave a crap about Saddam one way or the other. But the fact remains, once he was in a position to take control of the government and it was clear that he would be friendly to US interests, they supported him.
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                              • #30
                                For what it is worth, I don't really mind going to Iraq this December.

                                I could have even easily gotten out of it by just failing a class on purpose this semester.

                                But I didn't.
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