The Voter Fraud Fraud

[Dinner]

OK, that's bad. How many cigs did they give each homeless person? Was it worth more then $1? Why didn't they go for the felony charge then since enforcing the law is everyone's concern.

Just to clarify they were trying to entice legal voters to vote and not attempting to have them claim they were someone else, right?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Doddler
Is there any Yank who'll say "my side is worse"?

If you thought your side was worse, why wouldn't you change sides??

[Zkribbler]

• When local television nabbed an out-of-state Democratic operative offering cigarettes to homeless people in Milwaukee to encourage them to vote in 2000, McCann decided against criminal charges and instead charged her with a civil small claims complaint. She paid a fine, even though it’s a felony to entice someone to vote by giving them something worth more than $1.

What about all the rides to the polls for the elderly and disabled? That's gotta be worth more than $1.

[Adam Smith]

My kind of town ...

Just the first item I find in Google....

Oct. 27, 1972: Following Tribune vote fraud investigation, 79 election judges and precinct captains indicted; series of articles wins Pulitzer Prize in 1973.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/about/custom/company/history/chi-timeline1960-htmlstory,0,4614384.htmlstory

My personal favorite as reported during the 1980 election when I lived in Chicago ...

A Chicago cop was walking his beat late on election night. As he passed the local middle school he noticed a light on in the cafeteria. Unlocking the front door, he heard a bell ringing in the back of the room. When he walked to the back of the room he saw three people, who were later found to be the democratic election judge, the republican election "judge" (an unemployed Puerto Rican who lived next to the school), and the democratic precinct captain, standing around a voting machine. The precinct captain was casting votes, while the democratic election judge was throwing the lever to open and close the drapes, making the bell ring and the votes count. The cop takes this all in, and clears his throat with a loud AHEMMMM .... The precinct captain turns around, sees the cop, and says ....



"Just a minute, we're almost finished."

The cop took the lot of them down to the station house, God bless him.

[rah]

Originally posted by Oerdin
OK, that's bad. How many cigs did they give each homeless person? Was it worth more then $1? Why didn't they go for the felony charge then since enforcing the law is everyone's concern.

Just to clarify they were trying to entice legal voters to vote and not attempting to have them claim they were someone else, right?

Not sure why they didn't fully prosecute. They took abuse for not prosecuting it as a felony. There was no attempt by the accused to plead innocent. The person was caught red-handed. As to your second point the were enticing them to vote for a specific person (dem).
Google milwaukee vote fraud and you come up with 166k hits. Many dealing with dead voters, multiple votes etc.

Which is why I was surprised about your google comment. It wasn't hard to find.

I just remembered the incident because it was milwaukee and they usually make fun of Chicago for this type of thing and it turns out, they're almost as bad.

[Dinner]

Yeah, not doubt about it back in the day Chicago was a corrupt place. In your opinion nothing has improved in the last 27-35 years?

[rah]

Actually, I think it's no better now. They just hide it a bit better. Come on, there is no way Stroger actually won the cook county commisioner election.

[DaShi]

This thread has convinced me that there is no election fraud by democrats in Chicago. It has also led me to believe that it is possible that there never was such fraud at anytime in Chicago.

[Dinner]

No one has ever said that. All I'm saying is that what occured 40 years ago doesn't indicate what is occuring today. Especially given that vast resources have been pilled in to uncover voter fraud and they've all turned up goose eggs. Might there still be minor voter fraud? Yes, and where ever it is found the full force of the law should be brought to bare but we know for a fact that tens of thousands of blacks and hispanics are routinely denied the right to vote. It is unreal that people claim what happened 40 years ago justifies the massive on going disenfranchisement of minorities. A handful of local events which occurred 40 years ago in no way justifies or makes equal then current exclusion of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands.

Does anyone think that some local guys encouraging homeless people to vote by offering them cigarettes is the same as removing the rights of tens of thousands of black men in Florida? The two are both bad but one is much, much worse. One is systematic and the other is sporadic.

I for one don't believe Democrats are skilled enough to maintain a massive conspiracy for decades without anyone becoming wise to it. Some sort of proof in the last quarter century is needed.

[rah]

Nothing justifies the fact that lots of people are routinely denied the right to vote.

But I still think you're being a bit blind to what the dems are doing in their strongholds even today.

I don't condone either, and it frankly annoying.
Just because it's expected in CHicago doesn't make it right. The democratic machine still has plenty of pull in Chicago but thank god for more independent prosecutors. The current flurry of indictments against chicago policiticians shows that games are still being played.

[rah]

But I will admit that more anti-machine candidates were elected to the city council, so it must be getting somewhat better, but there were still way to many wards where you had to scratch your head and say WTF.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


If you thought your side was worse, why wouldn't you change sides??

if you want your politics to win out, shouldn't you identify the immoral actions by some in your party and weed them out in order to improve electoral chances?

[centrifuge]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Who said otherwise? I said several studies have shown that virtually all illegals won't vote illegally because they're afraid if they do register then the INS will come for them. Ergo they don't vote.

Well that's kind of what you said
(forgetting the part about several studies etc... )

This is more understandable, I read it a bit differently that night... My reading comprehension doesn't generally increase at 1:1 with the number of beers I've consumed

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Doddler
Is there any Yank who'll say "my side is worse"?

I routinely say the corruption in my state is the worst.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by rah
Nothing justifies the fact that lots of people are routinely denied the right to vote.

But I still think you're being a bit blind to what the dems are doing in their strongholds even today.

No, I just don't think it even comes close to the level of voter intimidation and voter suppression that the GOP engages in. I think you gravely over estimate the effect that vote fraud has compared with voter suppression. That allows you to decide that the net effect equals out, and thus there's no real impetus to do anything, since it will upset the balance of corruption.