The pope seems to have lost his mind

[Berzerker]

Something that people ignore is the role the church had saving native american culture

They destroyed virtually all their literature, all we have are a few codexes from arguably the most astronomically advanced civilization for their day.

[Barnabas]

Actually most (almost all) of the literature we have is what they carved in stones in their buildings.

[Emetri]

The pope seems to have lost his mind

There's something changed about him, definitely.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Heresson
the church actually fought for the right for the Indians. .

'The Church' ? Some churchmen would be more accurate.

Is it reasonable to expect that XVI century catholics would respect religions that involved human sacrifices, cannibalism and worshipping statues?

Barnabas


Or a Catholic religion that had overseen religious wars against Protestants, the cruel expulsion of converted Jews and Mulsims from Spain, the Inquisition in Italy and Spain and autos da fe ?

Given the nature of Baroque churches, I hardly think it's fitting to start criticising Indians in South or Central America for worshipping statues when we have what appears to be a statue of a Christian saint in the throes of orgasm...

St. Teresa flicks her bean:

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by molly bloom

Given the nature of Baroque churches, I hardly think it's fitting to start criticising Indians in South or Central America for worshipping statues when we have what appears to be a statue of a Christian saint in the throes of orgasm...

St. Teresa flicks her bean:

As out of character as it is of me to defend Christianity, that sculpture does not depict orgasm.

The lust you see in that sculpture is a product of your mind, not of the sculpture itself.

[Heresson]

she's in extasy, actualy

[Straybow]

Originally posted by molly bloom
St. Teresa flicks her bean:

You ain't right... more than one level...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by aneeshm


As out of character as it is of me to defend Christianity, that sculpture does not depict orgasm.

Then I'm sorry you have difficulty pleasing women...

The lust you see in that sculpture is a product of your mind, not of the sculpture itself.

Oh that's so funny, it creases me up.

she's in extasy, actualy

Oddly enough, women who have good orgasms frequently say that too.

Simon Schama on Bernini

"A century after the creation of The Ecstacy of St Theresa, a French art lover doing the Tour of Rome entered the Church of S. Maria della Vittoria in Rome, peered at the spectacle and said: "Well, if that's divine love, I know all about it".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/powerofart/bernini.shtml

Avoiding what's depicted right in front of you:

"No wonder when art historians look at this sculpture they tie themselves in knots to avoid saying the obvious, that is, that we're looking at the most intense convulsive drama of the body that any of us experience."

St Teresa finds her g*-spot (*god):

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by aneeshm


As out of character as it is of me to defend Christianity, that sculpture does not depict orgasm.

The lust you see in that sculpture is a product of your mind, not of the sculpture itself.

You've got to be joking. How many women have you seen at church with that expression and how many women have you given seen having orgasms?

[Patroklos]

and how many women have you given... orgasms?

Your asking that here?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Emetri

The pope seems to have lost his mind

There's something changed about him, definitely.

Does anyone remember the cartoon Underdog ? In that picture he reminds me of Underdog'a archnemesis.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by MrFun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_las_casas#Historical_importance

[Perfection]

The pope had one in the first place?

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Darius871



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_las_...cal_importance

To equal Las Casas with the church is the same as equalling Sepúlveda with the church...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III


To equal Las Casas with the church is the same as equalling Sepúlveda with the church...

Exactly.

Which is why I said 'some churchmen' in my post.

If 'the church' is Archbishop Romero, then it's also all the priests and bishops and archbishops who condoned mass murder of Indians, heretics, Jews and Muslims.

Romero begged for international intervention. He was alone. The people were alone. In 1980 the war claimed the lives of 3,000 per month, with cadavers clogging the streams, and tortured bodies thrown in garbage dumps and the streets of the capitol weekly. With one exception, all the Salvadoran bishops turned their backs on him, going so far as to send a secret document to Rome reporting him, accusing him of being "politicized" and of seeking popularity.

http://salt.claretianpubs.org/romero/romero.html