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[Zopperoni]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Do stores in Finland work differently than they do over here?

Finland and the Netherlands are, if I'm correct, the only two countries that round the Euro cents in the Euro-zone.

It works two-way though, if something costs 2.12 euros, it'll get rounded to 2.10 euros. So you win two cents there.

Edit: the only instance where rounding doesn't occur is during electronic payments.

[Pekka]

No, I don't WIN any money buying stuff. If you price your product at 2.12, you're really pricing it 2.10. That's what you get.

But if you do it in the other way, you're stealing from me.

ANd I hate stealing, except when I'm fooling catering services to give me free coffee and donuts, but that's because I work there and I deserve a bigger salary anyway, so I'll just take the rest, and if they were giving cars to guests, I'd take a car as well, because the coffee alone won't make the gap.

[Ecthy]

Maybe you should petition your people to reintroduce 1 and 2 cent coints. Lynching predicted.

[Zopperoni]

Buy the item three times --> price: 29.97 --> you pay: 29.95

[LordShiva]

Then return two of them --> 19.98 --> you get: 20.00

[Pekka]

My people. You want to talk about MY people? Finns aren't my people. I don't dislike Finns. I find Finns to be a bit gullible, homogenic and definitely having a symbiotic relationship to our political leaders, and that relationship is the direct measure of the intelligence we as a society have. That means, we truly do reflect ourselves in our leaders. That is, we are all pretty ****ing stupid.

But I don't dislike Finns. Finns are, at least, not the problem of the world. We have never been a problem. We are too small to be a problem. If we were bigger, would we be a problem, I think that's a question worth asking.

You see, what you're indirectly referring to is some kind of a.. national identity that every Finn, or most, are supposed to have. Your people, my people. We wouldn't talk about our people if it merely was a word on the passport that said German or Finnish.

So we assume national identity of some kind. And how does that happen, nation states aren't too old, in fact, for most, it wasn't a choice, it was forced. So when did the identity part come about? Is it necessary, it surely is not natural, because we came up with it. Who came up with it and why?

Of course one could say, well, it's a tool of power. We can lead you when we can formalize you into something, or better yet, make you formalize yourselves into this national default character type. It's not the mountain where we're going, the mountain comes to us.

So am I suggesting a conspiracy? No, not at all. It's not a conspiracy any more than say, a concept of beauty, fashion or the effects it has on the society, especially young women. There's no single entity to point your finger, there is no master plan. It just happened. We do reflect nature in some ways, it just happened, it folded out like that via a complex process with tons of variables in it that no one person or entity controlled.

So what do you mean by MY people? To a random Swede, I might be a knife waving drunk, even though I'm not. To an African I might be exotic polar bear. But does that change the object of myself, well, of course it doesn't. So there is no, and I'd like to really point this out, there is no organism so to say, a society of humans, that is collective and every human is a component in it, that we are some kind of a living organism, collective thing.

We aren't. We do not have a common body of knowledge, we are not collective by nature and we can never be collective in that sense of being a group subjectives forming an object that is the same. We are not living in any kind of transitive nature with each other, neither are we that to nature, animals or other groups.

We've lost the ability to think as we are formalizing ourselves with the concepts we subjectively interpret through our experiences, but even the notion of experience is deceptive. The word experience implies, that it is an individual moment, a revalation of a kind, a subjective new understanding of something. But we are still interpreting the so called experience through these concepts, one of them is national identity, nationality, Pekka the Finn.

I've long given that one up. It only hinders the brain power. It is hindering by nature, concepts are supposed to be helpful, so we can abstract things, so we can communicate, but what it also does is that it suggests the reality around us, the discourse for us, and we conform.

So what do you mean by MY people. Who are they? It would be insulting to suggest, that ok so since nationality is out then, let's just say European. It's still the same idea. SO we throw that out, but the insults are just coming with the 'well the human race then'. So my people are the human race? Isn't it then, by default, your people as well? And since we are both in that club, another concept in itself, why would we then use the phrase "my people". We wouldn't. So by using that term, you didn't mean what I just said.

So what exactly did you mean, and I want a good, comprehensive answer!

[Ecthy]

Those in the position to be petitioned to introduce 1 and 2 cent coins. The Finns.

[Pekka]

You should have been more accurate in the first place so I wouldn't have had to go with the trouble to point out the problems with that statement and trying to explain the major problems in it. Hopefully someone also really read the post and sees some things in a new way now. It's really worth the trouble to think about things. It really is.

In fact, this brings me to another issue. I'm going to e-mail Amazon and I have some beef with their service. It really really sucked, and I'm kind of surprised since usually it has worked like charm, they have really provided a good service. But this time, it really sucked. I'm going to write them an e-mail, telling how the service sucked and I won't be done wiht it until I get a real reply to it that shows they really did read it. I'm going as long as it takes. You know me. I kind of don't give up.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by LordShiva
If Pekka had mentioned that in the OP, this thread would have made much more sense.

YES, it would have!!

Though like said, Pekka and sense never truly work well.

[Ecthy]

Look all that theory is totally redundant. There's one country called Finnland, whose government could decide that the economy inside of the country also use 1 and 2 cent coins. All the rest of what you say is pointless babbling.

National identity is an interesing issue but totally unimportant here. Have you not been smoking enough recently?

[Pekka]

It never is NOT important. The 1 and 2 cent coins are trash compared to these issues.

And no I haven't smoked, marijuana gives me a feeling of nausea, so there's no point.

[Ecthy]

Shouldn't you as a student of information-related sciences know the meaning of redundancy?

Maybe you're unable to apply it to interhuman communication?

[Pekka]

And what do you mean with that? Where was I redundant?

[Ecthy]

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=4909133#post4909133

[Pekka]

And? The redundancy part is where? And what does it have to do with free communication?