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Originally posted by BeBro
Bushmen had no beer. Case closed.
Bushmen had no beer. Case closed.
Before Whitey, teh noble savages frolicked among teh lush forests of their utopian societies
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You don't understand the bigger picture
Before Whitey, teh noble savages frolicked among teh lush forests of their utopian societies
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Yeah well, that's closer to the truth than the belief that you made their life better. That's for sure.Originally posted by LordShiva
You don't understand the bigger picture
Before Whitey, teh noble savages frolicked among teh lush forests of their utopian societies
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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What. The. ****. I never said any such thing!It implies that everyone works. Being a noble is not working. I can't believe that you are trying to say now that feudalism was not exploitive.
Again, Kid, please read what I write and try not to make assumptions about what I'm thinking. Feudalism was exploitive, and I never wrote otherwise. Specialists include more than just feudal lords and soldiers, though. A merchant is a specialist. Hell, a farmer is a specialist - that's the whole thing. In a sedentary farming society, EVERYONE is a specialist of some sort. Not that they're all equal, mind you - that's another matter entirely. Accountants are specialists. Insurance claims handlers are specialists, etc.
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Whitey aggressorsOriginally posted by LordShiva
You don't understand the bigger picture
Before Whitey, teh noble savages frolicked among teh lush forests of their utopian societies
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We are discussing the transformation of a hunter-gatherer society to a agricultural society. Accountants have nothing to do with it.Originally posted by Arrian
What. The. ****. I never said any such thing!
Again, Kid, please read what I write and try not to make assumptions about what I'm thinking. Feudalism was exploitive, and I never wrote otherwise. Specialists include more than just feudal lords and soldiers, though. A merchant is a specialist. Hell, a farmer is a specialist - that's the whole thing. In a sedentary farming society, EVERYONE is a specialist of some sort. Not that they're all equal, mind you - that's another matter entirely. Accountants are specialists. Insurance claims handlers are specialists, etc.
-ArrianI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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It was just an example, you know....BlahComment
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Why is everyone assuming that living within the ecosystem entails everyone having saintly virtues?
Talk about a strawman...
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The creation of a non working class through the implementation of agriculture is not specialization. Bringing up accountants is absurd.Originally posted by BeBro
It was just an example, you know....I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I'll go buy some steak and wine, and drink to the fact that what I posted in post #2 never happened!
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
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I'd wait untill your death bed - there's still plenty of time.Originally posted by Saras
I'll go buy some steak and wine, and drink to the fact that what I posted in post #2 never happened!
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I'm not, for the record.Originally posted by General Ludd
Why is everyone assuming that living within the ecosystem entails everyone having saintly virtues? Talk about a strawman...
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Arrian the creation of a noble class is not specialization. It came about because of the institution of private property. When some peoples crops failed or they couldn't take care of them they had to sell their land to survive in many cases. They then became landless and peasants. Then you have people who can pay other people to work their land.Originally posted by Arrian
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There are other ways that it happened. It did not happen due to speicalization of labor. Sorry to ruin your fantasy.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I'll outlive most vegetariansOriginally posted by General Ludd
I'd wait untill your death bed - there's still plenty of time.
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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Originally posted by Kidicious
The creation of a non working class through the implementation of agriculture is not specialization. Bringing up accountants is absurd.
Ok, ONE MORE TRY:
Specialization merely means that people in a society do different things. THAT IS ALL IT MEANS.
In a hunter-gatherer society, there is very little specialization, though there is some. Men typically hunt, women typically gather, etc. That's about it. Everyone is involved in procuring food.
Once you get agriculture and the resultant food surpluses, society can specialize further. This allows for not only farmers, but for all manner of professions.... all the way up to and including accountants (eventually).
The proletariat (factory workers) are specialists. They may or may not be oppressed - that's another discussion - but they are specialists in our society. Ditto farmers, scientists, doctors, and on and on and on...
This is not difficult stuff, Kid. Now, you brought up the ways in which farming society ends up with an aristocracy. I don't dispute that, it sounds pretty reasonable. One farmer's crops fail for whatever reason, another's doesn't, and this creates an advantage that one can exploit. Ok. That HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I WAS SAYING.
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