How do you, as a meat-eater, justify the violence inherent in your food?

[Harovan]

Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian too?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Barnabas
That is something spaniards say about bulls, that before being killed in the bullfighting event, they live the life of a king, better than any animal

Id be willing to bet that Spanish bulls do live better lives prior to the fight than most farm animals do.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian too?

he was also a painter apparently. And he liked cars.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
LotM, why the constant substitutions of people for animals in your arguments, in an attempt to build a moral case against eating meat? They are not the same, unless you wish to demean humans by ranking them as animals.

When a bunch of animals can have a discussion such as this one, I will start to consider their lives as above eating, but not before.

"Certainly we wouldnt accept that POV wrt to humans, but granted humans are different."

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Youre just such a laugh riot, MB, you crack me up.

Have you considered doing stand-up?

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[molly bloom]

Originally posted by aneeshm


That's what was believed at that time these injunctions were written, Arrian.

Nothing to do with how Muslims like onions and garlic with their meat, then.


Mmmm, seekh kebab.

[Fake Boris]

I can't be arsed to bother with the suffering animals, however there are good ecological reasons not to eat meat IMO.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by molly bloom


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I have a jar of borscht in the cupboard. Its vegetarian.

(OMG!! LOTM took the borscht reference hyperliterally! Someone act fast, before all figurative speech is permanentely deleted from western civilization - or get LOTM treatment for his obvious autism!)

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian too?

And Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot weren't.

Not too sure about the dietary habits of Timur and Attila and Chingiz Khan, but I suspect they ate meat that had been tenderized under their saddles, drank the blood of their ponies and horses when necessary, and ate camel flesh too.

Which is very tasty, by the way.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Nothing to do with how Muslims like onions and garlic with their meat, then.


Mmmm, seekh kebab.

For once, you're right, it doesn't have anything to do with Muslim dietary habits. The Jains had these injunctions long before Christ or Mohammed or the Buddha came on the scene.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Nothing to do with how Muslims like onions and garlic with their meat, then.


Mmmm, seekh kebab.

http://www.islamveg.com/

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I can't be arsed to bother with the suffering animals, however there are good ecological reasons not to eat meat IMO.

Yep. One of them being that it is roughly ten times less efficient than vegetarian food. But let's not go there - I'm trying to focus on moral and ethical arguments here.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Tacc

My dad just left for a month long business trip to Utah

Really?

Yeah, he's an electrical engineer and they're doing the start up on a new power plant so they need the engineers there to help trouble shoot stuff which pops up.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Yep. One of them being that it is roughly ten times less efficient than vegetarian food. But let's not go there - I'm trying to focus on moral and ethical arguments here.

I think that respect of nature is part of ethics too...

This said, I can't give up meat entirely, but I try to limit my consumption, like once a week - when I go to a restaurant, or cook for guests.

[Sir Og]

Vincent: Want some bacon?
Jules: No man, I don't eat pork.
Vincent: Are you Jewish?
Jules: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Vincent: Why not?
Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mother****er. Pigs sleep and root in ****. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own faeces.
Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.
Jules: I don't eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' mother****in' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?