Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

1 in 4 will revolt, but the government doesn't care

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 1 in 4 will revolt, but the government doesn't care



    ‘Millions to rebel’ over ID cards

    The government is predicting that some 15m people will revolt against Tony Blair’s controversial ID card scheme by refusing to produce the new cards or provide personal data on demand.

    The forecast is made in documents released by the Home Office under the Freedom of Information Act. The papers show ministers expect national protests similar to the poll tax rebellions of the Thatcher era, with millions prepared to risk criminal prosecution.

    Opposition MPs said the new documents proved their case that the programme would never work. David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: “This will cripple the system. Fifteen million is a massive number. What the Home Office is accepting in private, but refuses to accept in public, is that a massive number of ordinary law-abiding citizens simply will not go along with their scheme.”

    Davis, whose party’s policy is to scrap the cards, added: “This will render it completely useless as a security or check mechanism of any sort.”

    The documents, quietly released during parliament’s Easter break, also show that the government is planning to make ID cards compulsory in 2014, despite the expected revolt.

    The first cards are due in 2009, alongside new passports. Labour has said it will make the scheme compulsory if it wins the next election.


    So the 15 million figure isn't some left wing papers' estimates, or right wing think tank speculation. It's the Home Office, the agency who are going to implement the system.

    With that level of anti-sentiment, what's the score with remaining commited to it?
    One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

  • #2
    Isn't there a way to do this that will identify and address their concerns?

    What sort of adverse outcome are those who oppose it envisioning may take place?

    Comment


    • #3
      Welcome to the dictatorship of Blair - like so many times in the past when the public has said no, he is going ahead anyway...
      Speaking of Erith:

      "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Geronimo
        Isn't there a way to do this that will identify and address their concerns?

        What sort of adverse outcome are those who oppose it envisioning may take place?
        A big ****ing waste of money is at the top of my list. Others have notions of privacy at the top of their list.
        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

        Comment


        • #5
          Don't you lot already get on cameras from the moment you leave the house? Also don't you also have driver's licenses already?
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

          Comment


          • #6
            My driver's licence doesn't have my photograph, let alone my iris pattern and fingerprints.

            The cameras aren't all linked into one big database either. The information recorded by them is also destroyed within a short space of time.
            One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Provost Harrison
              Welcome to the dictatorship of Blair - like so many times in the past when the public has said no, he is going ahead anyway...
              I for one vote people into office, so that they don't ask my permission or opinion of every frackin' matter... And the public is a bunch of morons anyway.

              And what's the deal anyway? Are people really thinking it's a bad thing that the gov knows where they are, if the gov cares? "I went and bought a litre of milk, and teh gov knows it! Teh big brother is watching you!"
              I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Dauphin
                My driver's licence doesn't have my photograph, let alone my iris pattern and fingerprints.

                The cameras aren't all linked into one big database either. The information recorded by them is also destroyed within a short space of time.
                Ah. So most people don't have any sort of photo ID at all at present?

                Interesting that cameras in public spaces (whose information the government says gets destroyed) were accepted before photo ID on drivers license.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dauphin
                  My driver's licence doesn't have my photograph
                  What fcuking good is it then?
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                  The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    If the Tories are going to scrap ID cards, and they're going to win the next election anyway, this may all be moot, unless Blair is planning one of his "never-reversable-by-future-govts" laws.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Last Conformist
                      What fcuking good is it then?
                      It permits me to drive.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Geronimo


                        Ah. So most people don't have any sort of photo ID at all at present?

                        Interesting that cameras in public spaces (whose information the government says gets destroyed) were accepted before photo ID on drivers license.
                        Cameras were introduced to monitor public areas during the IRA bombing campaigns. Not the reason for the cameras, but a reason. Drivers' licences and passports could be forged at any rate, images of someone planting a bomb couldn't be detracted from as easily.
                        Last edited by Dauphin; April 9, 2007, 06:53.
                        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          The new forms of ID cards are very hard to forge, the US military CAT cards for instance. You would have to duplicate all the data on the info chip, and the picture is actually part of the plastic piece so you can't just razor blade it like some state licence. Plus the holograms/forge markings require one of the actual machines to make correctly, which are all controled.

                          And that is just to copy one, to create a new one you would have to enter an account on the other side of the government system. Plus all the card numbers are cataloged anyways.

                          And if I heard right these will have fingerpirnt and retina data? Good luck forging those. I for one would be all about someone having a fingerprint/retina scan before using, say, my stolen credit card. Or picking my child up form daycare. Buying firearms/explosives. Entering a military facility.

                          The privacy issue is stupid anyways, your credit card transactions are a far better way to track someone than an ID card (since how many places actually check your ID before you use your credit card, lazy ****ers).
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Do NOT accept these ID cards... fight them as hard as you can. Just refuse it. Simply refuse it. Refuse to carry one. You know why this is such a joke? Because it has to include, that some kind of penalties will carry over if you refuse this whole idea. Screw that, screw the penalties and the ID card, in fact screw the whole government if they think it's such a good idea. Don't give up. Things like these have other effects.. as in, if it gets installed there, tehre will be another EU country trying to **** soon enough. So, refuse the idea, it's bigger than you.
                            In da butt.
                            "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                            THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                            "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I think all normal EU countries have ID already, but I suppose the advantage is for government control more than the ones carrying it so any modern person with liberal values would refuse to introduce it. It's a status quo thing though, I wouldn't rally for abolition in Germany.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X