Is feminism inherently negative?

[Elok]

"Asshem"

[Jon Miller]

Additionally, the girls were frail because they were coddled by Indian culture, not because girls by default are frail. It is true that on the very strong end males dominate, but for what is required for your workshop class, girls should be just as capable as guys.

The issue is that your guys are encouraged to run and be active, you girls are encouraged to be weak and frail and depend upon males.

But making a workshop requirement for engineering does seem a bit silly.

Jon Miller

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
What does working in the workshop have to do with engineering?

Jon Miller

Just the basics of the workshop. Stuff every engineer should know.

[Jon Miller]

The University of Maryland has one of the best (Public?) Engineering degrees in the US, and does not have a workshop requirement.

Jon Miller

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Jon Miller

Additionally, the girls were frail because they were coddled by Indian culture, not because girls by default are frail. It is true that on the very strong end males dominate, but for what is required for your workshop class, girls should be just as capable as guys.

Every single one was coddled by Indian culture? You don't know the diversity of places where they come form, nor how independent most are.

Originally posted by Jon Miller

The issue is that your guys are encouraged to run and be active, you girls are encouraged to be weak and frail and depend upon males.

Not really, no. Not in my socio-economic circle. Some of the best squash players I know are women. I know some very good women swimmers, too.

And anyway, it's not as if I was the archetype of the "sporting guy" or anything. In fact, if anything, I have played far less physically than many of my peers. Nor did I do anything special to develop my strength.




I think you also acknowledge that there is a difference in strength, on average, between men and women, in our favour.

[Kuciwalker]

Carnegie Mellon has one of the best engineering degrees in the US, and AFAIK there's no workshop requirement.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
The University of Maryland has one of the best (Public?) Engineering degrees in the US, and does not have a workshop requirement.

Jon Miller

Maybe so, but workshop practice is a requirement for all engineers all over India, in almost every university.

[Nubclear]

When faced with a choice between some Indian "university" and an American university, I will always go with America.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by aneeshm




Every single one was coddled by Indian culture? You don't know the diversity of places where they come form, nor how independent most are.

I think you also acknowledge that there is a difference in strength, on average, between men and women, in our favour.

Not at the level needed in any workshop I have ever seen. I have seen plenty of girls in workshop type courses, not athletic girls, and they handled everything just fine.

There are some differences between men and women with respect to strenght. Not at the level needed for workshop training though.

Jon Miller
(and I am no longer addressing the issue of engineering, as that shouldn't need a workshop requirement period)

[Jon Miller]

The fact our engineers don't have that requirement, and yours does, suggests that it is an outdated, and possibly sexist in it's origins (or the reason it is kept).

Jon Miller

[Ming]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Maybe so, but workshop practice is a requirement for all engineers all over India, in almost every university.

Probably because they then have a fall back position when they can't get a real job as an engineer

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Ming


Probably because they then have a fall back position when they can't get a real job as an engineer

Not really. Being a workshop guy full-time requires you to have much more skill than what an engineering degree will provide you, specially just the first year.

[Arrian]

The West sees a problem - inequality of women resulting from financial dependence on the man - and tries to solve it by making the woman into a man...

This is so assinine, aneeshm, that I honestly don't know where to begin.

So now working = male (because your culture says so) and thus anyone working is therefore male, or mannish. So a woman who works is, accordingly, "trying to be a man" or somesuch crap. But yeah, it's the feminists who degrade people and make them feel like they have to act a certain way. Aneeshm would never do such a thing! It's the eevil feminazis who make women feel bad.

-Arrian

[Q Classic]

What aneeshm says may be right--young girls and boys may actually be treated the same way in India.

[Arrian]

Oof. Low blow.

-Arrian