Is feminism inherently negative?

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Ah, the old keeping women in their place by complimenting their inherant "care giving" roles. Any other classic sexist arguments you wish to state for the record?

Oh, and another thing - why do you assume that the place of the housewife is somehow intrinsically inferior? Unless you get over this prejudice, no reasonable discussion is possible without us constantly returning to this again and again.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Kidicious


This means they are equal to you? See you have very strange idea of equality. Try to imagine yourself as a women with out all the crap you learned from your society. Are you truly treated equally?

As I said, among my peers in my socio-economic bracket, women are equal.

[Kidlicious]

Why am I inferior to the person I work for? Because he has the money!

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Arrian
Yep. "But they're GOOD at the role I want them to play!"

-Arrian

A mere recognition of differences is not a mandate to discriminate.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by aneeshm
So now a compliment which recognises inherent differences somehow becomes negative? How you people can twist things is amazing.

Keep digging the hole. I was under the assumption that being human was to not be like animals. Our society itself is anthetical to "inherent" characteristics. So why in this sphere, should genders be relegated to their "inherent differences", if they even have a substantial occurance (and isn't just the product of societal or cultural norms)?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by aneeshm


As I said, among my peers in my socio-economic bracket, women are equal.

I doubt that. Only as you define equality I'm sure.

[Arrian]

Sorry we can see through your bull. It can be irritating, I know.

-Arrian

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




Keep digging the hole. I was under the assumption that being human was to not be like animals. Our society itself is anthetical to "inherent" characteristics. So why in this sphere, should genders be relegated to their "inherent differences", if they even have a substantial occurance (and isn't just the product of societal or cultural norms)?

A simple inherent difference - men have penises. Women do not.

More generally, are you trying to tell me that there are no significant differences in the brain wirings of men and women, and that men and women do not have differences in certain abilities when considered in statistically significant numbers?

I repeat - a recognition of differences is not a mandate to discriminate.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Arrian
Sorry we can see through your bull. It can be irritating, I know.

-Arrian

That's not really a valid argument, you know.

[Arrian]

Aneeshm,

If women really are "naturally" better at being barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen nuturing, etc., then in a truely open society that respects everyone's choices, women will freely chose to be housewives, and you'll be a happy camper.

Surely you are not asserting that India, today, is such a society? If you are, I shall have to mock you another time.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

I repeat - a recognition of differences is not a mandate to discriminate.

But "recognition of differences" is the refuge of those who defend the discrimination of old.

-Arrian

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by aneeshm


So now a compliment which recognises inherent differences somehow becomes negative? How you people can twist things is amazing.

"Don't you just love to hear the darkies singing, Colonel? They're such a naturally musical race..."

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Aneeshm,

If women really are "naturally" better at being barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen nuturing, etc., then in a truely open society that respects everyone's choices, women will freely chose to be housewives, and you'll be a happy camper.

Except I think that he does not want women to be exposed to any liberation ideology. That's the truly amazing part.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Arrian

Aneeshm,

If women really are "naturally" better at being barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen nuturing, etc., then in a truely open society that respects everyone's choices, women will freely chose to be housewives, and you'll be a happy camper.

Most probably yes. But that cannot happen as long as feminists continue stigmatising the housewife, and (irony of ironies) treating the traditionally male bastions as superior.

Originally posted by Arrian

Surely you are not asserting that India, today, is such a society? If you are, I shall have to mock you another time.

-Arrian

I am not asserting that India is such a society. I am asserting, however, that it should aspire to be.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Arrian


But "recognition of differences" is the refuge of those who defend the discrimination of old.

-Arrian

But I, not defending those discriminations, and having risen above them, can recognise them without prejudice.