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  • #106
    Originally posted by Kidicious


    Except I think that he does not want women to be exposed to any liberation ideology. That's the truly amazing part.
    I never said or implied any such thing.

    Who defines liberation? I'd say that an honest assessment, without the implicit bias that feminists have against tradition, is liberation. Simply embracing feminism is replacing one mental conditioning for another, one set of chains for another.

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    • #107
      But that cannot happen as long as feminists continue stigmatising the housewife...


      One moment you assert that the feminist movement in India has no credibility and has resulted in a backlash that has further marginalized it, and the next moment you (seem to) assert that it has the power to stigmatize being a housewife such that women will feel obligated to (most likely in defiance of her family/society at large) go out & get a job.

      I am asserting, however, that it should aspire to be.


      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #108
        Originally posted by aneeshm


        But I, not defending those discriminations, and having risen above them, can recognise them without prejudice.
        Having risen above them!

        Dude...

        I mean...



        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #109
          Originally posted by aneeshm
          I never said or implied any such thing.
          Oh come on. You aren't just arguing for the status quo. You are saying that women shouldn't say these type of things because it will mess up your society. Read what you have written in this thread.
          Who defines liberation? I'd say that an honest assessment, without the implicit bias that feminists have against tradition, is liberation. Simply embracing feminism is replacing one mental conditioning for another, one set of chains for another.
          How are you replacing your chains?
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • #110
            Imagine for a moment, aneeshm, that you aspire to be a "house husband." You want the role that has been traditionally female. Really imagine that.

            How would your family react?
            How would other families you know of react, if you were their son?
            How would friends/acquaintances react?

            These roles are DEEPLY engrained, even here. Moreso in India, I believe.

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #111
              Originally posted by Arrian




              One moment you assert that the feminist movement in India has no credibility and has resulted in a backlash that has further marginalized it, and the next moment you (seem to) assert that it has the power to stigmatize being a housewife such that women will feel obligated to (most likely in defiance of her family/society at large) go out & get a job.
              I'm not talking about India here.

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              • #112
                What are you talking about then?

                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Arrian

                  Imagine for a moment, aneeshm, that you aspire to be a "house husband." You want the role that has been traditionally female. Really imagine that.

                  How would your family react?
                  Given the way I've behaved throughout my life, they'd refuse to believe if in the beginning. But if they found that I was making sure that I was acting consciously, and knew the consequences fully, they wouldn't mind.

                  Thankfully, my (hypothetical) wife would.

                  Originally posted by Arrian

                  How would other families you know of react, if you were their son?
                  I don't know, but their reaction most probably won't be positive.

                  Originally posted by Arrian

                  How would friends/acquaintances react?
                  Not positively, I'm afraid.

                  Originally posted by Arrian

                  These roles are DEEPLY engrained, even here. Moreso in India, I believe.

                  -Arrian
                  What you fail to recognise is that the house husband is an oddity in India, whereas the career woman is most emphatically not. A woman pursuing a career would be immediately accepted (I know because half the women among the people I know are working, and are treated no differently because of it), whereas a man pursuing a housewife's role would not.

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by Arrian
                    What are you talking about then?

                    -Arrian
                    The West.

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                    • #115
                      ****! even in the US you can't be a house husband with everyone questioning your manhood. Good luck finding a women who isn't a feminist who will respect you if you don't make more money than her.
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #116
                        What you fail to recognise is that the house husband is an oddity in India, whereas the career woman is most emphatically not. A woman pursuing a career would be immediately accepted (I know because half the women among the people I know are working, and are treated no differently because of it), whereas a man pursuing a housewife's role would not.
                        I have trouble believing that, aneeshm. Perhaps in your class/caste that is true.

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by Arrian


                          I have trouble believing that, aneeshm. Perhaps in your class/caste that is true.

                          -Arrian
                          w00t! Arrian doesn't beleive something!
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by Kidicious
                            ****! even in the US you can't be a house husband with everyone questioning your manhood. Good luck finding a women who isn't a feminist who will respect you if you don't make more money than her.
                            I can't speak to the first bit really (my dad was Mr. Mom, but only after having been a pigdog oppressor grade A-2 high-level executive first), but I have found the latter. My wife makes a LOT more than me, and there is no respect problem.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Kidicious


                              w00t! Arrian doesn't beleive something!


                              Forgive me, it's early Monday morning. What are you on about?

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Arrian




                                Forgive me, it's early Monday morning. What are you on about?

                                -Arrian
                                Just commenting that you aren't being naive.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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