Another one tries to bite the dust

[Kuciwalker]

Finns and Scandinavians were never commies unless you consider a big welfare state to be something commie) but they commit suicide quite often.

Yes, but Finns live in Finland.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Barnabas
Finns and Scandinavians were never commies unless you consider a big welfare state to be something commie) but they commit suicide quite often.

Not really. Sweden has a lower suicide rate than, frex, France or Germany.

[b etor]

don't make your cousin talk about it in great detail. it might cause him to go into a deep depression and try it again.

[Dinner]

I hope your cousin gets well soon.

[Pekka]

Thanks. I hope he gets well too. If he doesn't, he'll be not enjoying his life and might try this again succesfully. So.. I hope he gets well or at least better.

[Pekka]

I sometimes think that people who do this are kind of selfish, because it hurts everyone around that person so much, but then again, aren't we selfish as well? We have the same motive, and we aren't the ones in that situation.. so I think there's selfishness in everyone. When someone does it, it's not necessarily because they want to hurt other people, maybe that's something that has kept them from not doing it for a long time and then it just got to be too much.

It's just the realization that 20 something people close to you, you can erase them like that. Because you know them, it makes you think... you've known them for so long, that it's weird. And then they're violently gone by their own hand. Is there going to be another one? Why are these people offing themselves around you and why are you so lucky to not have the same problems? I guess there are no definitive answers, I guess that's just how life goes. What really gets to you sometimes is that you really can't forget. Many things reminds you of it, even when you have success, you'd wish to share it with people and you know you can't share it with some of the guys anymore. So they become alive in your memory both in bad and good times.

[Ecthy]

Tell me one person that is halfway successful in life that does not follow their own "selfish" interest.

The very concept of "selfish" is hypocritical and absolutely anachronistic.

[Jon Miller]

That is just because hedonism dominates our culture so heavily. I have thought about making a thread on the subject.

Jon Miller

[Ecthy]

My statement isn't about hedonism but about individual thinking.

[b etor]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Tell me one person that is halfway successful in life that does not follow their own "selfish" interest.

The very concept of "selfish" is hypocritical and absolutely anachronistic.

adam smith FTW!

[Ecthy]

Teens know nothing. Nothing.

[Meticulous Man]

The time after leaving high school indeed is a biatch, at least around here. Friends disappear, suddenly nobody is interested in what you have to offer if you don't have the ability to market yourself efficiently. Many experience the essence of our society for the first time. I'm not at all surprised when someone decides to kill themselves at this point.

Edit: chose wrong word

[Pekka]

Aivo, exactly. That's maybe the most difficult transition to make in here in your young adult life. It's the one with many evil loops like no school? -> no job -> no place for your own -> no money. THen what do you do? YOu wait a year for the other round of application time. Many people just live that cycle for some years. Some end up losing faith, some makes it in.

It's vicious and you can find yourself totally trapped. Many of us have been in it, and we all know someone who is currently in it. I don't know but I think it's a combination of the whole system, as in the whole educational system to that point basically tries to mold you into a candidate for those other schools. You don't actually learn that much useful stuff, where you could just move on yourself easily. So as the system launches people into that direction, and some are struggling to make past this transition, they're left out. I mean OK so you've done your previous schooling, so now what? You are in the age of moving out and everything, and you have nothing to hold on to, you have nothing to do. It's risky business.

I figure support networks can't offer much more than they do now, I think the whole setting could be expanded, that people could be opened up to more options than to go to University etc.

Most people don't even know what they want to do, the educational system to that point is not interested in what you want, or more importantly, they're not interested in you finding out what you want to do. So there's no realization of the self for many.

Many of these young adults, they simply have never had support finding out the options they have, so when they don't go the 'normal route', some of them figure they have no options. They figure they can't get a decent job ever, so they can't make any money either. They know the wages that crap jobs pay, that's barely to support yourself, barely. You can pay your rent, buy food, but that's it.

That's a real dream killer for a young person who up to that point was always in this route that they didn't have to think about, because 'it's what we all do'. I'm all for opening up other routes as well. I'm especially interested in opening up opportunities for young enterpretenueraers. That is, figure out what you want to do, don't think about money or anything, just what you want to do. Then, if there's no normal route for that place, why not try employing yourself? Of course, that is a question of money and there's not much capital in here. No risk investors, no capital venturists. And the state is poor at supporting these kinds of dreams.

Oh well. Also, it's kind of difficult for my cousin, he is like this music-savant, extremely gifted with music. He can play many instruments well, he can play jazz with drums, guitar etc. in professional level. He is just that good. Like a freak. I don't know why or how he has given that up, I know for a fact that he has played in places at such a young age that it is not exactly normal, so unusually talented at that. So how did he give that up? I don't know, but I guess he doesn't want to do it. It's too bad, I think that was his super talent that kind of leeched his other opportunities along the way as maybe he didn't explore anything else so much growing up. So leave that, and you've got nothing, and you realize it and it hits you ****ing hard. Then the illusion becomes so real, that there's nothing in this for you anymore and this is it.