Here Adobe, this is my left kidney- I'm British!

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Office 2007 is very nice and not wanting to reward MS for milking a monopoly shouldn't stop you from using the software. BitTorrent.

I've got it (Azureus ), but haven't seen the need to bother. I've got all the various Vista editions too, but same thing.

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
As long as these companies continue to rip us off in this manner, I think it is fair to vote with our feet and use pirated software

It's not like its bread and butter and you can't live without it.
Think the price is ridiculous?
Don't buy it.

Damn GAP is trying to rip me off my selling its clothes very expensive, so it's only fair I steal them.





(note I'm very ambivalent on the whole software copyright issue, I just hate it when people use stupid arguments).

[Provost Harrison]

Well I don't need it but there are people who do need it. The problem is not the price per se, but the fact they are pricing it differently in one market to another by such a staggering difference. Unfortunately piracy does impact on supply and demand of these products and if you price people out of the market, they will just 'acquire' the software by different means.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme

It's not like its bread and butter and you can't live without it.
Think the price is ridiculous?
Don't buy it.

What would you do if games/applications (or whatever) is sold at twice the price where you live compared to elsewhere in the world? Wouldn't you feel cheated?

[MRT144]

Provost Harrison also has issues that obscure tangible relationships between people, so cut him some slack.

It's one of those values thing where people who think they are entitled to rip off companies because they disagree with the pricing. Its only because they are able to rip them off so easily that they do, not because they debate the morality of the matter.

I also like to point out that for the most part, people that pirate software are also the same people that aren't ever really serious enough to utilize the product for financial gain. People that pirate microsoft products probably arent writing huge proposals with it, people that pirate photoshop are using it to create ****ty myspace images that sparkle, and people that pirate music software arent writing big musical hits with it. Amateurs pirate, professionals buy.

The reality is, you're not entitled to products because you think they are overpriced, easy access or not. It's customer arrogance that says "The customer is always right." It leads to business situations like Nordstrom's where you can return shoes you didnt even buy there without a receipt. And while you're sticking it to the man, you're also that guy who pulls scams like that.

The customer in situations like this are the most important part of the business but it's not arrogance releasing a great product, at a price they determine. If it was a ****ty product, why would anyone pirate it, let alone buy it? If pricing your own product is arrogance then you're all in the wrong economic system.

Take Oracle for example which charges by the processor. All their software is available to download for free from their site but it's the support, expertise and integration they can give you that they charge for. They charge by the number of processors that use the software for a lot of their products, and then enforce compliance through survey and tech support. (as an aside this is why they are currently suing SAP, for posing as customers, downloading docs, and then offering support to customers for Oracles product)

On the flip side, it is up to the companies to enforce compliance and if they can't then it's too bad. Various methods may work, and may not.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Adagio
What would you do if games/applications (or whatever) is sold at twice the price where you live compared to elsewhere in the world? Wouldn't you feel cheated?

No.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Adagio


What would you do if games/applications (or whatever) is sold at twice the price where you live compared to elsewhere in the world? Wouldn't you feel cheated?

The pricing in other countries doesnt influence my purchasing decision. why would it?

[Adagio]

Originally posted by MRT144
The pricing in other countries doesnt influence my purchasing decision. why would it?

Why shouldn't it? Why would someone want to pay twice as much for software (or whatever) than everywhere else? If the local stores charged twice as much as everywhere else I would buy everything online from other countries

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Adagio
If the local stores charged twice as much as everywhere else I would buy everything online from other countries

So what's the problem?

[Adagio]

Originally posted by LordShiva
So what's the problem?

Buying online still makes the price higher than for those who could just walk down to the store to buy it, because now I have to pay for shipment


And as a side-note: Something like this is already happening in DK*, every day many danes crosses the borders to Germany to buy things a lot cheaper than if we had to buy the same in Denmark



* but that's because of taxes and such, not the producers who sets the price

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Adagio
If the local stores charged twice as much as everywhere else I would buy everything online from other countries

I think that Adobe may be refusing to acknowledge legitimacy of non UK licences used in the UK.

The answer is clearly to avoid using the upgrade, and hope that everyone else does the same until the price comes down.

[MRT144]

why would i buy (or care about price) from your local store if i cant logistically get it?

[Q Classic]

I still don't understand why one can't just import it?

[Geronimo]

If the price differences are explained by differences in demand why can't the publisher just ship more copies to the market with greater demand? This is software. I can't understand why the supply/demand ratio couldn't be easily evened out everywhere.

Is adobe assuming that UK customers have more disposable income? Are they assuming they are more dependent on the software? Fewer extant copies of the older versions but similar need for it's capabilities? I can't see where this difference in demand is being perceived by adobe.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Geronimo
If the price differences are explained by differences in demand why can't the publisher just ship more copies to the market with greater demand?

They can, but that affects supply, not demand.