Carbon-driven global warming - a left-wing belief

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Odin


Most Lefties aren't Leninist nuts, you moron.

Well, most right wings are neither nutcases

Can you accept the fact that there are different POW's across the political spectre and that they all are valid ?

Edit : forgot to mention - if you can't agree, it will of course be reasonable to say that all lefties is Leninist nuts (wich actually is rubbish - it should be stalinist nuts)

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You think it's the engineers' jobs that go overseas when a factory closes?

Never heard of Indians and Chinese engineers produced by the hundred of thousands every years?

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You are a deep green nut

No, I'm Not. I'm this.

Technogaianism (a portmanteau word combining "techno-" for technology and "gaian" for Gaia philosophy) is the stance that emerging technologies can help restore Earth's environment, and that developing safe, clean, alternative technology should therefore be an important goal of environmentalists.

This point of view is different from the default position of radical environmentalists and a common opinion that all technology necessarily degrades the environment, and that environmental restoration can therefore occur only with reduced reliance on technology. Technogaians argue that technology gets cleaner and more efficient with time. They would also point to such things as hydrogen fuel cells to demonstrate that developments do not have to come at the environment's expense. More directly, they argue that such things as nanotechnology and biotechnology can directly reverse environmental degradation. Molecular nanotechnology, for example, could convert garbage in landfills into useful materials and products, while biotechnology could lead to novel microbes that devour hazardous waste.

[DRoseDARs]

Ok, so you're a deep greyish-green nut.



I'm teasing, in case the didn't tell you that.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Odin
No, I'm Not. I'm

Your silly words mean nothing

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Never heard of Indians and Chinese engineers produced by the hundred of thousands every years?

Engineering jobs do go overseas sometimes, but not with the factories.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Engineering jobs do go overseas sometimes, but not with the factories.

In a manufacturing plant, above foreman and head-foreman, there are supervisors and managers who have engineer degrees. The Engineering department is not the only one employing engineers.

When GM, Volskwagen or Peugeot build a plant in China, they expatriate no more than one or two dozens engineers; all others, are locals.

[Victor Galis]

I think right-wingers tend to have more to lose from solutions to Global Warming, so denial, particularly given that the problem won't be horribly bad during their lifetimes is really their best self-interested response.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


Never heard of Indians and Chinese engineers produced by the hundred of thousands every years?

I have. Singapore is full of them, and they're making peanuts compred to the locals because, while they have degrees, their actual educations sucked.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You're silly words mean nothing

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You're silly words mean nothing

[Solly]

Originally posted by Barnabas
Believing that global warming exists but has no serious consequences is "the next best thing" for many people who denied global warming existed just a few years ago.

Can you post a link about this. It sounds like it's come straight out of the Unrealcimatt website and lodged in your head with no thought process about the matter.

[Solly]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt


Well...stronger language than I'd use, but it's a reasonable sounding connection. What I believe is that there are just as many idiots on the left as there are on the right. Since there's definitely right-wingers who blindly subscribe to things that suit a right-wing agenda, I'm sure the same is on the other side. So doubtless there are lefties who fit your hypothesis.

There's no need for them to blindly follow said agenda, of course, since the scientific evidence is on their side.

The scientists might be on their side, but the evidence is not. Big difference.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Doddler


The scientists might be on their side, but the evidence is not. Big difference.

Creationists say the same thing.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DAVOUT

If trade-unions, and more generally workers (who are not all leftists), are anti-globalisation, it is not because they have an anti-industry sentiment, but on the contrary because they have an excessive attachment to their factories.

Trade unions are anti-globalization because it forces them to compete with other labor groups around the world thus taking away most of their bargaining power. The golden days of the unions, the 1940's-1960's, was based upon first artificial shortages caused by the war then upon a relatively high amount of protectionism & lack of global competition in the post war period. Free trade means if the workers demand to much the factory can be moved thus the unions hate it.

I note that this is good for everyone except the few people who work at the factory. The costumers are happy to get cheaper goods, the new workers (often in the 3rd world) love the fact that they have jobs period, the governments of the countries where jobs move love it because they're able to develop their nations, and even the transportation/shipping industry loves the increases in freight traffic. The key to surviving in a free market is to innovate thus making sure you offer a unique sales proposition which others cannot match. The increased rate of innovation improves quality and choices for consumers. Basically free trade means companies must keep innovating or die from increased competition while employees must keep upgrading their skill sets in order to compete in the global economy. Sure, lots of people don't like having the increased competition but the majority of humanity (and the companies) benefit.