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    US struggles to avert Turkish intervention in northern Iraq

    · Ankara claims Kurdish rebels preparing attacks
    · Operations could wreck American peace strategy
    Simon Tisdall in Ankara
    Thursday March 22, 2007

    Guardian Unlimited
    The US is scrambling to head off a "disastrous" Turkish military intervention in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq that threatens to derail the Baghdad security surge and open up a third front in the battle to save Iraq from disintegration.

    Senior Bush administration officials have assured Turkey in recent days that US forces will increase efforts to root out Kurdistan Workers' party (PKK) guerrillas enjoying safe haven in the Qandil mountains, on the Iraq-Iran-Turkey border.

    But Abdullah Gul, Turkey's foreign minister, MPs, military chiefs and diplomats say up to 3,800 PKK fighters are preparing for attacks in south-east Turkey — and Turkey is ready to hit back if the Americans fail to act. "We will do what we have to do, we will do what is necessary. Nothing is ruled out," Mr Gul said. "I have said to the Americans many times: suppose there is a terrorist organisation in Mexico attacking America. What would you do?... We are hopeful. We have high expectations. But we cannot just wait forever."

    Turkish sources said "hot pursuit" special forces operations in Khaftanin and Qanimasi, northern Iraq, were already under way. Murat Karayilan, a PKK leader, said this week that a "mad war" was in prospect unless Ankara backed off.

    Fighting between security forces and Kurdish fighters seeking autonomy or independence for Kurdish-dominated areas of south-east Turkey has claimed 37,000 lives since 1984. The last big Turkish operation occurred 10 years ago, when 40,000 troops pushed deep into Iraq. But intervention in the coming weeks would be the first since the US took control of Iraq in 2003 and would risk direct confrontation between Turkish troops and Iraqi Kurdish forces and their US allies.

    Several other factors are adding to the tension between the Nato partners:

    The firm Turkish belief that the US is playing a double game in northern Iraq. Officials say the CIA is covertly funding and arming the PKK's sister organisation, the Iran-based Kurdistan Free Life party, to destabilise the Iranian government.

    US acquiescence in plans to hold a referendum in oil-rich Kirkuk in northern Iraq. Turkey suspects Iraqi Kurds are seeking control of Kirkuk as a prelude to the creation of an independent Kurdistan.

    Plans by the US Congress to vote on a resolution blaming Turkey for genocide against the Armenians in 1915. Faruk Logoglu, a former ambassador to Washington, said that if the resolution passed, relations "could take generations to recover".

    Record levels of Turkish anti-Americanism dating back to 2003, when Turkey refused to let US combat forces cross the Iraq border.

    The US is already fighting Sunni insurgents and Shia militias. Analysts say a surge in violence in northern Iraq, previously the most stable region, could capsize the entire US plan. But pressure on the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is also growing as a result of forthcoming elections. Military intervention was narrowly avoided last summer when he said that "patience was at an end" over US prevarication. Now conservatives and nationalists are again accusing him of not standing up to Washington.

    "If they are killing our soldiers ... and if public pressure on the government increases, of course we will have to intervene," said Ali Riza Alaboyun, an MP for Mr Erdogan's Justice and Development party. "It is the legal right of any country to protect its people and its borders."

    US support for Iranian Kurds opposed to the Tehran government is adding to the agitation. "The US is trying to undermine the Iran regime, using the Kurds like it is using the MEK [the anti-Tehran People's Mujahideen]," said Dr Logoglu. "Once you begin to differentiate between 'good' and 'bad' terrorist organisations, then you lose the war on terror." But he warned that military intervention might be ineffective and could be "disastrous" in destabilising the region. A recent national security council assessment also suggested that senior Turkish commanders were cautious about the prospects of success.

    Daniel Fried, assistant secretary of state, said last week that the US was acting to assuage Turkish concerns. "We are committed to eliminating the threat of PKK terrorism in northern Iraq," he said.

    General Joseph Ralston, the US special envoy dealing with the PKK issue, was less upbeat, admitting that "the potential for Turkish cross-border action" was growing. "We have reached a critical point in which the pressure of continued [PKK] attacks has placed immense public pressure upon the government of Turkey to take some military action. As the snows melt in the mountain passes, we will see if the PKK renews its attacks and how the Turkish government responds ... I hope the Turks will continue to stand by us."

    But a Milliyet journalist, Kadri Gursel, said: "The US attitude has really pissed off the government and the army. The US really doesn't understand how exhausted and fed up they are."

    The US is scrambling to head off a 'disastrous' Turkish military intervention in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq that threatens to derail the Baghdad security surge and open up a third front in the battle to save Iraq from disintegration.
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  • #2
    One hopes that our people are talking to the Kurds. I rather suspect someone is indeed trying to restrain them (not that I'd expect the Guardian to include that in their article), but of course I don't know.

    CIA involvement in Iran, likewise. I've no idea. Unnamed Turkish officials apparently believe it, for whatever that may be worth. I wouldn't be terribly surprised.

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    • #3
      A modest proposal:

      Instead of dissuading the Turks, we should talk them into invading....and penetrating all the way to Bashra. Then we can pull out and leave the whole country in their laps.

      Bring back the Ottoman Empire

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      • #4
        Well, this is shaping up to be a splendid mess, isn't it? It's like they chose Iraq as the best possible nation to invade from the perspective of making the ME an even more craptacular place to be. Then again, maybe they did, it beats most of the other explanations.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zkribbler
          A modest proposal:



          right! there's more than one way the kurds can be united

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          • #6

            The firm Turkish belief that the US is playing a double game in northern Iraq. Officials say the CIA is covertly funding and arming the PKK's sister organisation, the Iran-based Kurdistan Free Life party, to destabilise the Iranian government.


            And then people wonder why Iran supports Hizbollah
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zkribbler
              A modest proposal:



              Damn! You beat me to it.
              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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              • #8
                Why does Turkey hate all its neighbors?
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                • #9
                  Because all of its neighbors hate Turkey.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zkribbler
                    A modest proposal:



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                    • #11
                      Well, this is shaping up to be a splendid mess, isn't it? It's like they chose Iraq as the best possible nation to invade from the perspective of making the ME an even more craptacular place to be. Then again, maybe they did, it beats most of the other explanations.
                      Clearly a stable Iraq was not in our interest - they'd ask us to leave and the chaos we see enables terrorists to operate. Iraq was not meant to be a democratic country, at least not as long as we need a battlefield to attract terrorists. We did just about everything we could to make sure the place fell apart, too few troops, disbanding the Iraqi army and bureaucracy, failure to capture weapons caches, etc...

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                      • #12
                        That's an ugly can of worms you opened when you supported the invasion 4 years ago, Oerdin...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Berzerker


                          Clearly a stable Iraq was not in our interest - they'd ask us to leave and the chaos we see enables terrorists to operate. Iraq was not meant to be a democratic country, at least not as long as we need a battlefield to attract terrorists. We did just about everything we could to make sure the place fell apart, too few troops, disbanding the Iraqi army and bureaucracy, failure to capture weapons caches, etc...
                          if the hole idea of this was a terrorist honey pot why does it cost so damn much. itd be cheaper to have terrorists attack us but negotiate homeland security with half the budget of the military.
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                          • #14
                            If only Turkey invaded Iran, or vice versa. Then we'd finally have a proper war with real battles for War Nerd to write columns about and us to read. This guerrilla thing is not very interesting.

                            (DISCLAIMER: yes, war is bad, destruction and suffering is bad and I don't wish more of it in the ME, but admit it, Turkey vs. Iran would be interesting).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MRT144
                              if the hole idea of this was a terrorist honey pot why does it cost so damn much. itd be cheaper to have terrorists attack us but negotiate homeland security with half the budget of the military.
                              One answer is the usual cynical bit about Halliburton war profiteering and so on. I prefer to think of this affair as proof of the stupidity of Bush and the existence of Satan. To each their own.
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