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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sn00py
    No, I still think 5000 is a lot. By now it must be a pretty standard procedure. We should know what works and what won't work.
    Perhaps we should. But the fact is that we don't. There's a pretty consistent 4% failure rate.

    There are those in the private sector who are working on this problem. But they aren't ready to launch yet.

    SpaceX should be much safer than the 4% failure rate, once they get the kinks worked out of their system.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #47
      We just have to admit, getting up there isn't easy with current technology. The biggest problem is the energy required to get up there. When you have that much energy being burned in a vehicle, things are bound to go wrong every once in a while.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by DanS


        Not particularly profitable. However, the profit has been guaranteed, since they have done cost plus contracts.
        What incentive does SpaceX have to try to reinvent this very expensive wheel then?

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        • #49
          How much did this launch cost?

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          • #50
            Elon Musk, the CEO of SpaceX, confirmed that the rocket was lost. He says that this was a good day for the company nonetheless, since they demonstrated quite a few capabilities. The first stage performed well. The stages separated. The second stage ignited and burned. And the fairing was jettisoned successfully.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              How much did this launch cost?
              $7 million, including all range fees.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #52
                /me whistles

                There's your answer, Geronimo.

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                • #53
                  Well, I should say that the price was $7 million. Who knows how much it actually cost.

                  $7 million is considered extremely low pricing. About 1/3rd to 1/4th of what others are charging.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #54
                    $7 million is considered extremely low pricing.


                    That was my point.

                    Who knows how much it actually cost.


                    You don't think it costs more, do you? This doesn't seem to be an industry where you can up for negative margins with volume...

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                    • #55
                      Since this is a development program, it really depends on how many flights over which the R&D costs are amortized. By no means are the marginal costs for each flight of this rocket very high. And the fixed costs for the company are very low.

                      This is working quite a bit different than the established players, of course. The Space Shuttle has fixed costs of about $2 billion per annum and marginal costs of $600 - $700 million or so per flight, I guess. Depends on the way you count things.
                      Last edited by DanS; March 20, 2007, 22:22.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #56
                        Lost? As in they can't find it or it blew up or what?

                        Hey maybe NASA sabotaged it?
                        be free

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          Since this is a development program, it really depends on how many flights over which the R&D costs are amortized. By no means are the marginal costs for each flight of this rocket very high. And the fixed costs for the company are very low.

                          This is working quite a bit different than the established players, of course. The Space Shuttle has fixed costs of about $2 billion per annum and marginal costs of $600 - $700 million or so per flight, I guess. Depends on the way you count things.
                          How does the LEO launch capacity of this thing compare to the space shuttles 24,400 kg?

                          It sounds like it would have to be about 250 kg or less to manage to be less cost effective than the shuttle.

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                          • #58
                            Maybe it landed in your front yard. Have you checked?

                            They'll have to get the radar tracking information from the range to know where it landed.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Geronimo
                              How does the LEO launch capacity of this thing compare to the space shuttles 24,400 kg?

                              It sounds like it would have to be about 250 kg or less to manage to be less cost effective than the shuttle.
                              670 kg to Low Earth Orbit.

                              It should be noted that SpaceX priced the rocket believing that they may be able to reduce the price, once they get a good handle on whether they can reuse the first stage. The first stage that flew tonight will be picked up by a ship and brought back to California for inspection.

                              Also, to have a small rocket that is more cost-effective than a big rocket is a novelty.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DanS


                                670 kg to Low Earth Orbit.

                                It should be noted that SpaceX priced the rocket believing that they may be able to reduce the price, once they get a good handle on whether they can reuse the first stage. The first stage that flew tonight will be picked up by a ship and brought back to California for inspection.

                                Also, to have a small rocket that is more cost-effective than a big rocket is a novelty.
                                meaning the current price assumes it is reusable or that the current price assumes it not reusable?

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