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He was suspended from school, not arrested... doesn't that matter? Was he really denied free speech?
-Arrian
School officials are agents of the state just like police officers. Suspension from school is a less severe penalty than being thrown in jail, but that doesn't matter. If a police officer gave you a $20 ticket for saying something he found objectionable that officer is still violating your rights. The degree of penalty doesn't matter.
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Arrian, don't listen to Ozzy, this time.
Next he'll be calling the babysitter the same as the police.
If anyone indicates an accepted manner of behavior, equate them with the police, and assume them to be evil.
Ignore the fact that police are just people, who have to deal with lying scum all day every day, and by that, have to suspect all people they come into contact with daily.
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Slow, you must have been dropped on your head as a child (sorry, but really!). Teachers at public schools are OBVIOUSLY agents of the state. They are paid by the freaking government!
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Imran, you're a ****ing dumbass. I also apologize.
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I accept that public school officials are agents of the state.
I guess I just don't see that being suspended from school is a violation of one's right to free speech. If one sits in class and talks nonstop to disrupt the class, one may be suspended. Is that a violation of your right to free speech? An agent of the state (teacher) sends you to the principal's office where the principle (also an agent of the state) punished you by suspending you.
In other words, if this is deemed a violation of the 1st amendment, then how can teachers/administrators maintain ANY control over their schools whatsoever?
Kick em all in the nuts for good measure then they'll start listening.
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I'm very interested to hear what message "bong hits 4 Jesus" is. Perhaps you can explain it to me DD. Was it a political message? Was it a religious message? What idea was he trying to spread?
If there's no message, then the action is purely a matter of conduct (dumb prank to bait the school admin) and outside the purview of the First Amendment.
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What about school bus drivers? Janitorial at school?
The old woman running the cash register in the lunch room? The guy cutting the grass outside the school?
They all work for the government. Postal dude works for the government, AND delivers to the school. The double-dipper.
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Kick em all in the nuts for good measure then they'll start listening.
Do I detect a certain, shall we say, "theme" running through your posts?
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In my example it's not shouting "fart" that's important, it's continuing to do it despite knowing damn well that you are not supposed to. Schools have the power to regulate the conduct of students. The school wasn't keeping him from blathering about bong hits for Jesus to his stupid friends on his own time, just from holding up an obnoxious banner to embarrass the school during a public event. If it comes to that, he would also not be allowed to hold up such a banner during class while the teacher was lecturing, ...
Perhaps so.
...or to put a "bong hits for Jesus" editorial in the school paper.
But that would be a violation of his freedom of speech & the press.
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So now he's truant from school, advocating breaking the law.
Yeah, and? People marching in Civil Rights marches in the 60s were advocating breaking the law. And perhaps some of those marching were students truant from school. So what?
Civil rights marches were absolutely, undeniably, no-question-in-anyone's-mind political expression (******-lovin' commie outsideagitator political expression if you're in Bull Connor mode, but political expression, nonetheless)
Displaying a nonsensical banner to provoke a reaction from the school administration during a field trip doesn't rise to the level of speech or any other protected activity under the First Amendment. It's nothing but a half-assed prank.
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I accept that public school officials are agents of the state.
I guess I just don't see that being suspended from school is a violation of one's right to free speech. If one sits in class and talks nonstop to disrupt the class, one may be suspended. Is that a violation of your right to free speech? An agent of the state (teacher) sends you to the principal's office where the principle (also an agent of the state) punished you by suspending you.
In other words, if this is deemed a violation of the 1st amendment, then how can teachers/administrators maintain ANY control over their schools whatsoever?
-Arrian
That's the whole idea. After all, the little farts know how to run the world already, so why should teachers exert any control over their schools?
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I'd imagine that the banner, even though the student was doing it for fun, articulates the need to revisit the country's drug policy.
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