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    Justices hear "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" case

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- A high school principal was acting reasonably and in accord with the school's anti-drug mission when she suspended a student for displaying a "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner, her lawyer told the Supreme Court Monday.

    "The message here is, in fact, critical," the lawyer, former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, said during a lively argument about whether the principal violated the constitutional rights of the student.

    On the other side, attorney Douglas Mertz of Juneau, Alaska, urged the justices to see the case as being about free speech, not drugs.

    The dispute between Joseph Frederick, who in 2002 was a high school senior, and principal Deborah Morse has become an important test of the limits on the free speech rights of students.

    Justice Stephen Breyer, addressing Mertz, said he is struggling with the case because a ruling in Frederick's favor could encourage students to go to absurd lengths to test those limits.

    A ruling for Morse, however, "may really limit free speech," Breyer said.

    The Bush administration, backing Morse, wants the court to adopt a broad rule that could essentially give public schools the right to clamp down on any speech with which it disagrees.

    Scores of students waited outside the court early Monday for a chance to listen to the arguments.

    "I would never do it, but at the same time, it's free speech," said Chaim Frenkel, 17, of Silver Spring, Maryland. Frenkel was one of 13 seniors and their teacher from the Melvin J. Berman Hebrew Academy who arrived at the court at 4:30 a.m.

    Natasha Braithwaite, 20, a junior at Columbia Union College in Takoma Park, Maryland, got in line at 7 a.m. with a definite opinion about the case. "In every possible way, his First Amendment rights were violated," Braithwaite said.

    Frederick was a high school senior in Juneau when he decided to display the banner at a school-sanctioned event to watch the Olympic torch pass through the city on its way to the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City.

    Morse believed his "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner was a pro-drug message that schools should not tolerate. She suspended Frederick for 10 days. Frederick sued Morse, and that case now is before the court.

    Frederick acknowledged he was trying to provoke a reaction from school administrators with whom he had feuded, but he denied that he was speaking out in favor of drugs or anything other than free speech. A bong is a water pipe that is used to smoke marijuana.

    "I waited until the perfect moment to unveil it, as the TV cameras (following the torch relay) passed," Frederick said.

    Morse and the Juneau school district argue that schools will be powerless to discipline students who promote illegal drugs if the court sides with Frederick. The Bush administration, other school boards and anti-drug school groups are supporting Morse.

    Frederick, now 23, counters that students could be silenced if the court reverses the appellate ruling. A wide assortment of conservative and liberal advocacy groups are behind Frederick.

    In a Vietnam War era case, the court backed high school student anti-war protesters who wore armbands to class. Since then, though, the court has sanctioned curtailing student speech when it is disruptive to a school's educational mission, plainly offensive or part of a school-sponsored activity like a student newspaper.

    A federal appeals court called Frederick's message "vague and nonsensical" in ruling that his civil rights had been violated. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also said Morse would have to compensate Frederick for her actions because she should have known they violated the Constitution.

    Frederick, who teaches English and studies Mandarin in China, was not expected at the court for the argument. Two years after the banner incident, Frederick pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of selling marijuana, according to Texas court records.

    The case is Morse v. Frederick, 06-278.


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  • #2
    His banner wasn't displayed in school, correct? Sounds like the school went too far. He clearly picked a fight, though.

    -Arrian
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arrian
      His banner wasn't displayed in school, correct?
      It was a school field trip.

      Sounds to me like the guy was/is a jack ass who was looking to pick a fight with the school.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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      • #4
        Done at school, proper reaction.
        Outside of school, outside principal's realm of influence.
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        • #5
          At school field trip... gray area, I guess. And I agree with DD he went out of his way to be a jackass. He had to expect he'd get a reaction, and that reaction would be punishment of some kind.

          -Arrian
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arrian
            At school field trip... gray area, I guess.
            Do educators loose the right to discipline students on field trips?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              "I would never do it, but at the same time, it's free speech," said Chaim Frenkel, 17, of Silver Spring, Maryland. Frenkel was one of 13 seniors and their teacher from the Melvin J. Berman Hebrew Academy who arrived at the court at 4:30 a.m.


              Yeah, I cant imagine the headmaster an HA would look too kindly on such a shirt
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              • #8
                Well no. Hmm.

                -Arrian, still pondering.
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #9
                  I admit, the slogan on the banner makes me chuckle.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    It was a school field trip.

                    Sounds to me like the guy was/is a jack ass who was looking to pick a fight with the school.
                    People who pick fights so we can get these precedents

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                      I admit, the slogan on the banner makes me chuckle.
                      QFT.
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                        People who pick fights so we can get these precedents
                        Punishing stupid hippies
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          Hippies

                          Bong hits

                          Jesus

                          Picking a fight with school administrators by going out of your way to embarrass them and then whining about being suspended

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arrian
                            Hippies
                            Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad. - Cartman
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arrian
                              His banner wasn't displayed in school, correct? Sounds like the school went too far. He clearly picked a fight, though.

                              -Arrian
                              School event - same thing. What he does outside of any school context is his business. Within the school context, he can suck it up, grow the **** up, and stop wasting everyone's time with a stunt worthy of a ten year old and a tantrum worthy of a four year old.

                              "Waaaah, da mean ol' pwincipuw viowated my wights by shushpending me for a few days after I acted up... waaah."

                              First Amendment my ass. Anyone want to take a bet at how many of the Framers would advocate anything other than taking this whiny little **** out back of the woodshed and tanning his hide?
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