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  • #16
    Friggin' Mugabe.

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Colon™
      I'm surprised a high court judge ordered that Tsvangirai had to be allowed contact with his lawyer when the regime wouldn't let him. A sign of retreat or a sign that Mugabe still doesn't have complete control over the judicial system?
      The latter. According to NPR, the judiciary at the lower levels is quite independent. At the higher levels, they're more tied to the regime. Of course, the courts have no way of enforcing their ruling, so if the government decides not to let him see his lawyer, he has no recourse.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MOBIUS
        Hey, I mentioned my solution and the usual suspects spouted their usual drivel...

        Oh, BTW there's a genocide in Darfur needs dealing with too...
        We should leave them to it. It doesn't matter how many die now, we shouldn't intervene as that would be imperialistic.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Doddler


          We should leave them to it. It doesn't matter how many die now, we shouldn't intervene as that would be imperialistic.
          I agree.

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          • #20
            Then technically speaking the UK had no right to intervene in either Afghanistan or Iraq, because that too would have been imperialistic...
            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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            • #21
              I dont actually agree with the imperialistic bit, but I think that if Somalia, Rwanda, et al have shown anything its that outside intervention doesnt help things at all.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Frozzy
                I dont actually agree with the imperialistic bit, but I think that if Somalia, Rwanda, et al have shown anything its that outside intervention doesnt help things at all.
                there was outside intervention against the Genocidaires in Rwanda? (unless you mean the Tutsi forces)

                And so far the jury is still out on the success of the Ethiopian intervention in Somalia.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #23
                  Mugabe tells critics to 'go hang'

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by lord of the mark


                    there was outside intervention against the Genocidaires in Rwanda? (unless you mean the Tutsi forces)

                    And so far the jury is still out on the success of the Ethiopian intervention in Somalia.
                    UNAMIR attempted to keep the two sides apart until Belgian peacekeepers were killed by the Interhamwe leading to withdrawal, and certainly didnt do a very successful job while there.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Frozzy


                      UNAMIR attempted to keep the two sides apart until Belgian peacekeepers were killed by the Interhamwe leading to withdrawal, and certainly didnt do a very successful job while there.
                      an intervention with too few troops, under too limiting rules of engagement, etc, etc is not a formula for success.

                      In any case, I dont think an outside military intervention is whats called for in Zimbabwe. I think more overt political pressure from the SADC, esp South Africa and Zambia are mainly whats called for.

                      As for Sudan, we might first try some strong UNSC sanctions.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #26
                        Zimbabwe stops activists leaving
                        Four leading Zimbabwean opposition members have been prevented from going abroad and one of them was attacked at the airport, the opposition says.

                        MP Nelson Chamisa said he was beaten as he tried to leave. The government denied its forces were involved.

                        Earlier two women activists were stopped as they tried to leave to get treatment for injuries sustained in police custody, their lawyer said.

                        And Arthur Mutambara was re-arrested as he was about to leave the country.

                        Earlier, the African Union urged Harare to respect human rights in the country.

                        In a statement, the pan-African body also called for a "constructive dialogue" to resolve Zimbabwe's deepening crisis.

                        Western criticism of Robert Mugabe's government intensified after Morgan Tsvangirai, the leader of the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC), was beaten after last Sunday's rally in Harare.

                        'Arbitrary act'

                        Mr Chamisa, an MDC spokesman, had been on his way to attend an Africa Caribbean Pacific-EU meeting in Belgium.

                        He said he had been approached by unidentified men as he got out of his car outside the departures' hall at Harare Airport.

                        "I was suddenly surrounded by, I think, about eight men," he said later.

                        "One wore a green t-shirt. The other ones had suits. Then I was hit, I think about three times... Then I fell to the ground."

                        Mr Chamisa said he had seen his attackers running off towards two vehicles without registration plates.

                        Things were bad, things are bad, but I think this crisis has reached the tipping point and we could be seeing the beginning of the end of this dictatorship
                        Morgan Tsvangirai, MDC leader

                        "Some women they came to me and started to help me. With a handkerchief. They were trying to stop the blood. It was really coming out," he said.

                        He has now been admitted to hospital in Harare where his doctor says he has a fractured skull.

                        In an interview with the BBC's Focus on Africa programme, Zimbabwe's Minister of Information, Sikanyiso Ndlovu, denied that state security forces were involved in the attack, saying the opposition was responsible for causing havoc in Zimbabwe.

                        Arthur Mutambara, leader of one of the factions of the MDC, was re-arrested on Saturday, and is now being held at Harare central police station.

                        Grace Kwinje and Sekai Holland tried to go to South Africa to receive specialist treatment on Saturday evening, Tafadzwa Mugabe, a lawyer who accompanied them, told the BBC's World Today programme.

                        They were among a number of activists beaten while in police custody after being arrested last week.

                        Tafadzwa Mugabe said all their papers were in order but - just before boarding the flight - the authorities said the two women needed an additional "clearance letter from the ministry of health".

                        "This was just an arbitrary act," the lawyer said, adding that they would be taking legal action.

                        He said that the condition of the two women activists remained critical.

                        'Tipping point'

                        MDC leader Morgan Tsvangirai has told the BBC's Sunday AM programme that the situation has reached a critical stage.

                        "Well I think that this is a tipping point," he said.

                        President Mugabe has rejected Western criticism and blamed the opposition for instigating the violence.

                        Mr Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for 27 years, but there is increasing discontent over the country's economic crisis.
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                        Published: 2007/03/18 17:07:15 GMT
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                        • #27
                          The upside is that Mugabe can't be feeling very secure if he constantly needs to resort to pointless violence.
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