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  • #16
    Ok, yes there are exceptions, I agree, Kuci.

    But those are exceptions. In general, the nature of being human is to have a conscience and consciousness.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kuciwalker


      They are the same thing.
      1. If they're the same thing, then why two terms for the same thing?

      2. Language derives value from its ability to communicate ideas between people. Using a word that has one specific meaning to a large group of people to mean something else that has meaning to a smaller group of people takes away much of that value and contributes little to the discourse.
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      • #18
        [QUOTE] Originally posted by snoopy369
        Okay, I have to ask. What are you on, MrFun?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by snoopy369
          1. If they're the same thing, then why two terms for the same thing?
          I'm not even going to answer this one.

          2. Language derives value from its ability to communicate ideas between people. Using a word that has one specific meaning to a large group of people to mean something else that has meaning to a smaller group of people takes away much of that value and contributes little to the discourse.
          The term wasn't just made up yesterday. "Freedom of conscience" was being used to describe the phenomenon well before "freedom of thought" was.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by snoopy369


            1. If they're the same thing, then why two terms for the same thing?

            There are multiple definitions in dictionaries for the same word and there are such thing as synonyms.
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MrFun
              Ok, yes there are exceptions, I agree, Kuci.

              But those are exceptions. In general, the nature of being human is to have a conscience and consciousness.
              I dispute that they can be intrinsic to the nature of humanity if there are exceptions.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                I dispute that they can be intrinsic to the nature of humanity if there are exceptions.

                So for you, if the only instinsic aspects of the nature of humanity are those without exceptions you cannot accept anything as being part of human nature since everything you can think of will bound to have exceptions.
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #23
                  Unless, of course, those characteristics are part of the definition of humanity...

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                  • #24
                    Enlighten me on your thoughts some more, Kuci.
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #25
                      mrfun ur on crack
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • #26
                        Erm, any ones in specific?

                        Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                        mrfun ur on crack
                        I agree, no sane person cares about my opinion.

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                        • #27
                          Just let this thread die and stop posting to it.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Conscience and Consciousness

                            Originally posted by MrFun
                            Since both of these are intrinsic to the nature of being human, these are natural rights rather than civil rights, correct?
                            Drop the natural/civil distinction, it doesn't work.

                            No one has any right to deprive of another person their right to their conscience and consciousness with the exception of criminals. They are to be imprisoned in violation of their free will for the safey of others.
                            What is that supposed to mean? and if we have have free will, we have free will in jail too.

                            Or, are there other situations or circumstances where one can deny another their right to conscience or consciousness with plausible moral and/or legal justification?
                            Explain what you mean with "denying the right to conscience".
                            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                            • #29
                              Yeah, that's fairly difficult right now.

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                              • #30
                                An example of denying other people of their right to their conscience:

                                Jews being oppressed and persecuted for praticing and expressing their religious belief.
                                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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