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  • #241
    Originally posted by lord of the mark
    Emerson lost his case anyway, so the opinion on a collective right expressed their was a, whats the term of art?, a red herring.
    You've lost me. Why should it matter if Emerson lost his case for my point?

    Anyway, even in that case, the court was dealing with a handgun, not a tank or howitzer.
    You're argueing irrelevent points. Even the 1st Amendment which I'd hope you'd agree is an individual right has certain limitations placed upon it. Why should it be any different for the 2nd.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    • #242
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      You're argueing irrelevent points. Even the 1st Amendment which I'd hope you'd agree is an individual right has certain limitations placed upon it. Why should it be any different for the 2nd.
      You havent been following the posts of the fizzotroll, have you?
      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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      • #243
        Don't take out the frustration you have with your own illiteracy on me.
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
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        • #244
          Not entirely sure what you guys are *****slapping about, but you can't apply everyday language to legal texts. Otherwise legal training would be largely unnecessary.
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          • #245
            Originally posted by KrazyHorse


            I don't think it's a good idea either. I'm simply tired of the intellectual dishonesty that comes with pretending that the second amendment doesn't say what it does.
            I think it's idiocy to ignore the interpretation of the past 200 years.
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            • #246
              Originally posted by Perfection
              I think it's idiocy to ignore the interpretation of the past 200 years.
              200 years of federal gun laws? really? DC guns laws originated in 1975. I'm hard pressed to say how the interpretation was established before that.

              In fact from 1791 until 1905 2nd ammendment interpretations were in favor of reading the amendment as if it were strictly an individual right. Only after Salina v. Blaksley 1905 did the whole question of collective intent start to find favor in the courts. Since that time numerous rulings have gone both ways. To say an interpretation has been established is just not so.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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              • #247
                Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                200 years of federal gun laws? really? DC guns laws originated in 1975. I'm hard pressed to say how the interpretation was established before that.

                In fact from 1791 until 1905 2nd ammendment interpretations were in favor of reading the amendment as if it were strictly an individual right. Only after Salina v. Blaksley 1905 did the whole question of collective intent start to find favor in the courts. Since that time numerous rulings have gone both ways. To say an interpretation has been established is just not so.
                Note again, the fizzotroll doesnt merely say the 2nd amendment calls for an individual right, he says it calls for an unlimited individual right. Not limited to militia type weapons(say infantry weapons), but applicable to ANY weapon.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #248
                  Help me out here, who is the fizzotroll?
                  "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                  “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                  • #249
                    He's a Canadian Frenchman.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #250
                      From what does the "fizzo" derive?
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #251
                        KH likes fizzy drinks.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #252
                          Apparently, this is a stereotype with which I am not familiar. Oh well. IOW, French = carbonated drinks, such as carbonated water?
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #253
                            KH is a Canadian frenchman? I thought he was anglo...
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #254
                              Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                              200 years of federal gun laws? really? DC guns laws originated in 1975. I'm hard pressed to say how the interpretation was established before that.
                              1911 Sullivan act for starters...
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                              • #255
                                Originally posted by Wezil
                                KH is a Canadian frenchman? I thought he was anglo...
                                He's from Quebec, is he not?
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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