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Originally posted by Spiffor
I guess fundamentalism isn't only a religious phenomenon in the US...
I guess fundamentalism isn't only a religious phenomenon in the US...
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We do happen to have a process to change it. If the people feel that it is a liberty that they would be willing to give up to the government in exchange for security, they are more than able to start the process of repealing it.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio -
Bull****.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
It's a logical extension from speech to expression on the internet. It is not a logical extension from personal firearms to weapons that can destroy cities.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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How so?Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Bull****.APOSTOLNIK BEANIE BERET BICORNE BIRETTA BOATER BONNET BOWLER CAP CAPOTAIN CHADOR COIF CORONET CROWN DO-RAG FEDORA FEZ GALERO HAIRNET HAT HEADSCARF HELMET HENNIN HIJAB HOOD KABUTO KERCHIEF KOLPIK KUFI MITRE MORTARBOARD PERUKE PICKELHAUBE SKULLCAP SOMBRERO SHTREIMEL STAHLHELM STETSON TIARA TOQUE TOUPEE TRICORN TRILBY TURBAN VISOR WIG YARMULKE ZUCCHETTOComment
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Because the difference between a printing press able to reach a few hundred people and requiring a huge investment on the part of the person running it and the internet where you are able to reach hundreds of millions of people instantly and with very little investment on your part is precisely the type of difference between personal arms and nukes.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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They were given those weapons by a tyrant, and when America leaves, they will get a tyrant back again. So much for all that 'tree of liberty' crap.Originally posted by Jon Miller
Don't underestimate what an armed populace can do. Look at what is happening in Iraq. We are annoyed, and not by helicopters, tanks, and airstrikes.
JMComment
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This is a good question to which I don't have an answer, and demonstrates why the amendment should be repealed or modified. Don't know how you could bear a howitzer, though.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
So I should be able to own a howitzer?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Re: Howitzers, the historical perspective doesn't make much sense since they didn't exist back then. Nor did tanks, planes, rockets, nukes, plastic explosives, assault rifles...they did have basic artillery (cannon), yes, but I'm not sure that a private citizen would be able to afford one, or willing to pay for it. I don't know if they interpreted the second amendment to include cannon (though that sounds insane, frankly). Does anyone else?
Our problems in Iraq are caused by AK-47s...supported by mortars, rocket launchers and the ever-popular IED. How many average citizens are going to buy and maintain heavy weaponry just in case they get called up for service in a militia? And do you mean to suggest that assault rifles should/would be available to civilians? Their AKs are mass-market, unlicensed reproductions of the old soviet issues, IIRC. They're ubiquitous over there because the Middle East has been wracked by violence nonstop since time immemorial and evolved a healthy black market to supply its bloodshed needs.
And our Iraq problems are only problems because our hands are more or less tied by the need to treat the Iraqis nicely. They could be using bows and arrows and still be a nuisance, since we can't find where they're hiding or fight back without massive collateral damage. They're fighting as an insurgency, which lets them stretch their limited firepower a long way. It probably also helps that our M-16 is over thirty years old and our troops are tired and overburdened. At any rate, man for man they're utterly inferior to soldiers in equipment and training.Comment
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Yes, I think it's clear that assault weapons should be available to citizens. And I think they are available, btw.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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nerfed... but it isn't difficult to un-nerf them
JM
doesn't own a gun, but would if had the extra money (probably wouldn't keep bullets in my house though)Jon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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Does nerfed mean that they are modified to be semi-automatic rather than automatic?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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something like that, I know people who modify them to make them fully operational
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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I have only fired a gun (a pistol at a gun up in the woods) once, btw
so don't make me out as some sort of gun nut
and I don't have any desire ot kill people
but I think that having a gun is a good thing in general
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
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I have heard that it's not that tough to do (make assault rifles automatic).
Well, in any event, at least assault rifles seem to fall squarely under the 2nd amendment.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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IMO for a majority of Americans, owning a gun is tits on bull useless. And when mixed with idiots pumped up on crack in an urban environment (like DC), you have lots of dead bodies lying around. But the 2nd amendment is clear.Originally posted by Jon Miller
but I think that having a gun is a good thing in generalI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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On the other hand, I might buy an argument that starts by saying that we should train our kids in firearms, since it's a fact that society is awash in guns, and it's essential that our young people know how to deal with that environment.
This could extend to other martial arts.
Other countries have compulsory military service where firearm use and other martial arts are taught to everyone, after all.Last edited by DanS; March 10, 2007, 10:26.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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