Which is most evil: Circumcision, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Americans, filosofers

[Drake Tungsten]

She survived because of medical technology that emulated the growth received in the womb -- it means nothing.

"She"? That fetus was born before 24 weeks; it's obviously not a person...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
This.

But that's true.

We're not even talking about that, young padewan. Keep up.

Where else do you define words? Even the guy I sniped at has conceded that words definitions stem from dictionaries that "we" (the general consensus) write.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

She survived because of medical technology that emulated the growth received in the womb -- it means nothing.

"She"? That fetus was born before 24 weeks; it's obviously not a person...

You do not comprehend -- she grew into a person with massive medical intervention that simulated a womb.

If you plopped her out without that womb-like environment, there would be no she.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Asher
For what it's worth, this is not a philosophical issue.

Ok, I was agreeing with you for awhile, but at this point I can't.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Asher
My definition the generally accepted definition, medically and as voiced by the representatives of the people.

Except in the US (where the decision has been taken by unelected justices), and in most countries in this world, where abortion is still banned.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/AbortionLawsMap.png

If most people genuinely thought that, abortions wouldn't happen.

There are plenty of people who genuinely think that and abort nonetheless. And then they feel guilty for the rest of their lide. Kinda like closeted gays, or kinda like avowed gays who feel they are sinning.

[Kuciwalker]

But that's true.

Anyone who looks to dictionaries for a technical definition is an idiot.

We're not even talking about that, young padewan. Keep up.

Yes, you've managed to maneuver to slightly less shaky ground without the others calling you on it. Congratulations.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Except in the US (where the decision has been taken by unelected justices), and in most countries in this world, where abortion is still banned.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/AbortionLawsMap.png

Overlay that map with one where homosexuality is still banned.

What a strong argument you have.

[Drake Tungsten]

If you plopped her out without that womb-like environment, there would be no she.

You can say the same thing about babies born shortly after 24 weeks, too...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Anyone who looks to dictionaries for a technical definition is an idiot.

Who said anything about technical definition? An idiot is a person who enters a discussion without comprehending what is being discussed.

Yes, you've managed to maneuver to slightly less shaky ground without the others calling you on it. Congratulations.

I "maneuvered" away from the discussion because the person I sniped at conceded. You are now the only person thinking word definitions are unrelated to dictionaries.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Asher
What a strong argument you have.

My argument is that definitions do vary.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You can say the same thing about babies born shortly after 24 weeks, too...

Yup, but some of them can (and have) survive on their own after 24 weeks -- well before we have the technology we have now.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Spiffor
My argument is that definitions do vary.

Which does nothing to discredit or otherwise counter an argument that concedes this is the point, but again reverts to the keyword "general consensus".

[Kuciwalker]

Who said anything about technical definition? An idiot is a person who enters a discussion without comprehending what is being discussed.

You, then.

I "maneuvered" away from the discussion because the person I sniped at conceded. You are now the only person thinking word definitions are unrelated to dictionaries.

Spiffor seems to think that definitions are related to what people mean, and that a definition written down is a book isn't a particularly firm basis for a moral code.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Spiffor seems to think that definitions are related to what people mean

I dare you to live in a world where where was no standardized dictionary and all words mean something different based on whoever says it.

I take it your school has a particularly weak linguistics department?

Do you understand what the word "dictionary" means, linguistically, in the concept of a language?

[Drake Tungsten]

Yup, but some of them can (and have) survive on their own after 24 weeks

I sincerely doubt that; as far as I know, all babies born that early (~24 weeks) need intensive medical care to survive. Maybe Guy can chime in and give us the lowdown...