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  • #46
    Originally posted by AAHZ
    i think my brain is damaged just watching that crap...
    Careful! You'll drop beneath Slowwhead on KH's thread...
    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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    • #47
      I'll be dragging LS with me!
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      • #48
        all your songs are VERY sad and depressing. what the HELL happened to you as a child, Moby?
        The Wizard of AAHZ

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        • #49
          Must've been all that listening to Leonard Cohen...
          Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Colon™
            I'll be dragging LS with me!
            Anti-huggies for you
            THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
            AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
            AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
            DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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            • #51
              I must say i needed a good laugh...

              THANKS!
              The Wizard of AAHZ

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              • #52
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                • #53
                  you were fine till the 2nd "VERSE" then it all fell apart... That one HAD potential... for about 20 seconds.
                  The Wizard of AAHZ

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by MOBIUS
                    But not because of her racist and extremist views...
                    Why do you hate democracy, Mobius? In a true democratic nation, anyone should be able to run for public office no matter how hate-filled and dangerously unqualified.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by DaShi
                      Why do you hate democracy, Mobius? In a true democratic nation, anyone should be able to run for public office no matter how hate-filled and dangerously unqualified.
                      Absolutely!

                      That is after all the beauty of democracy...

                      However I do think it is reasonable for the public to know how hate-filled and dangerously unqualified beforehand.

                      I'm sure the public that voted for her know full well her racist platform, because it is well documented that a significant proportion of Israelis are racist/supremacist Zionist scum...

                      However they might be put out by the fact that she has essentially lied to them about her credentials...

                      I am sure racist scum would far prefer competent racist scum able to efficiently pursue their racist desires, than some self-serving unqualified ***** who might not actually be very good at doing her job: being racist.

                      Already she must have caused her party and leadership embarrassment, potentially diminishing their political aspirations. If I were racist and voted for her I would be extremely angry with her...

                      But hey, nice to see that Dashi is all for the lies and corruption that is so prevalent in the World's 'democracies' where the will of the people is so often subverted...
                      Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                      • #56
                        Re: UGH!

                        Originally posted by MOBIUS


                        And there I was trying to give you a little credit...

                        So, how far 'gone' are you - you don't strike me as one of those settler scum types?
                        The settlers represent a late deviation off of Mizrachi Zionism, and are hardly representative of classic Zionism. I consider myself more of a Labour Zionist, though a moderate one (IE not a far leftist Hashomer Hatzair type)
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by MOBIUS


                          You're right of course, he's not a Zionist sympathiser - he's actually a Zionist!
                          No, he means you dont understand my position wrt the West Bank and Gaza.
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DaShi


                            Why do you hate democracy, Mobius? In a true democratic nation, anyone should be able to run for public office no matter how hate-filled and dangerously unqualified.
                            then Israel isnt a true democracy, as the Kach party founded by Meier Kahane is not allowed to elect members to the Knesset (not that they ever got more than one or two)
                            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by MOBIUS

                              That is after all the beauty of democracy...

                              However I do think it is reasonable for the public to know how hate-filled and dangerously unqualified beforehand.

                              I'm sure the public that voted for her know full well her racist platform, because it is well documented that a significant proportion of Israelis are racist/supremacist Zionist scum...
                              First, since Israelis vote for party slates under PR, and not individuals, its not at all clear.

                              However undoubtedly many voters for Leibermans party are probably racists.

                              Every society has racists. Imagine how well the BNP would fare if Pakistanis were blowing up in London as routinely as Pals do in Israel.


                              However they are far outnumbered by moderate, liberal, and leftist Zionists.

                              Moby, do you actually believe that only rightwingers in Israel call themselves Zionists, or are you just trolling?
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                              • #60
                                Just to clear a few things.


                                Most of Lieberman's party members are unknown to the public. Except MK Sasson, who was a former Shin Bet deputy, but is politically very weak.

                                The party depends on Lieberman and his quiet workhorse persona.

                                Lieberman is not racist, contrary to various claims. His position is very nationalistic and far right, but has little to do with race, and all to do with politics. He's for a Zionist state that would be as large as possible, but I wouldn't put beyond him to support a serious peace offer.

                                I am not surprised by Israel's media hatred for him and his party.

                                Israeli journalists are a close bunch and most of them are 'court journalists' of either one party or another - very few of them, actually having an independent position. They are also huge xenophobes and fear the russian alyiah, the russian israeli street, and anything that is not the way it was when they were kids in the 70s.

                                They hate lieberman because he's a threat to the classical Likkud-Labor division. They hate him because he's a "ruski".

                                The Israeli journalists are also very fond of old Israeli politicians because they have their courts, and they constantly blab and yap and make the journalists feel "important".

                                Lieberman dislikes the journalists, and is very selective about his words and actions, to avoid tricks by journalists. He has no 'court' and he doesn't do anonymous commenting which is SOOOOOO widely popular in Israel.

                                So he's severely disliked by the media - but gaining popularity in the public.

                                He's considered a workhorse and a political bulldozer. He's also considered politically honest and constant in his views (unlike many Israeli politicians).

                                He's also among the only non-orthodox right wing element in Israeli politics.



                                As far as Esterina Tarterman goes - she's probably a loser, but appears to be a close ally to Lieberman inside his own party, and he's loyal.


                                As far as the Israeli arab minister - it is a joke. It is an unqualified call by Peretz, trying to 'score' politically by posing a decision before Olmert, which he can't overrule.


                                I'm all for pro-zionist / zionist-neutral Israeli arabs getting seats in politics.

                                There have been numbers of Israeli druze in key positions in the government, knesset and the IDF.

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