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Originally posted by Straybow
Monotheism as a concept has no intrinsic value. Whom you worship is more important than how many.
Thats not everyones opinion.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by Darius871
Who said anything about Christians as a group?
I didn't bring up the notions of "believing in Christ"; you did. I'm talking about believing in one God, who happened to give us an example to live by. That's not doublethink - it's straight monotheism.
Again, I never said anything about him being "annihilated"; that would be very different from merely ceasing to have a purpose.
The OP asked about whether there were a Christian sect fitting those criteria. I replied that such a concept doesn't fit in with the general idea of Christianity. And
To clarify further, I refer to the hypothetical belief that the human manifestation of god was not an existing entity before Jesus' birth, and furthermore ceased to exist upon Jesus' [supposed] ascent into heaven after the [supposed] Resurrection.
Originally posted by Straybow
Monotheism as a concept has no intrinsic value. Whom you worship is more important than how many.
What LOTM said. Plus about 1.4 billion other folks.
Originally posted by Elok
The OP asked about whether there were a Christian sect fitting those criteria. I replied that such a concept doesn't fit in with the general idea of Christianity.
Nonsense. Many Unitarians* very explicitly define themselves as "Christian" despite believing Jesus was only a human prophet, or even a mere philosopher. Who are you to declare that their steadfast belief in his teachings & example isn't enough to be "Christian" simply because they don't pray to an ostensibly eternal co-deity?
Originally posted by Elok
Does 'ceased to exist' =/= annihilation? How?
Sorry, when I hear "annihilate" I picture an action verb, where a subject proactively annihilates an object. The prosaic cessation I speak of, on the other hand, would be more akin to the the end of an instruction video. Certainly you don't see anything "annihilated" in that analogy.
Originally posted by Darius871
Nonsense. Many Unitarians* very explicitly define themselves as "Christian" despite believing Jesus was only a human prophet, or even a mere philosopher. Who are you to declare that their steadfast belief in his teachings & example isn't enough to be "Christian" simply because they don't pray to an ostensibly eternal co-deity?
Well, as a human prophet/philosopher, he would have a human soul, and thus continue to exist in some sense. I assume that Unitarians have a concept of the soul, at least? What you're describing doesn't fit in with Xian cosmology at all. You're positing Jesus as something sub-personal (as opposed to the superpersonal trinity), and I don't see what the selling point would be. Like a 33-year-long vision?
And by annihilated I meant 'reduced to nothing,' whether actively or as plain cessation. Now, please don't use the word 'proactive' again. Please.
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"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by Straybow
Monotheism as a concept has no intrinsic value. Whom you worship is more important than how many.
Thats not everyones opinion.
So if someone worships Huitzilopochtli as the one true God and sacrifices unwilling humans on a regular basis, that's just as good as Judaism, Xnity, and Islam?
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Originally posted by Elok
Well, as a human prophet/philosopher, he would have a human soul, and thus continue to exist in some sense. I assume that Unitarians have a concept of the soul, at least? What you're describing doesn't fit in with Xian cosmology at all.
I didn't say Unitarian Christians believe in what I'm describing; I was simply posing an example to demonstrate that "Christian" is a very pliable term.
If one is to define Christian as "one who believes there was divine intervention related to the life of Christ," then what I'm describing is unequivocally Christian. If you want to cling to your own stringent definition then fine, I won't lose sleep over it.
Originally posted by Elok
You're positing Jesus as something sub-personal (as opposed to the superpersonal trinity), and I don't see what the selling point would be.
Who said anything about a "selling point"? Is that why you've been flapping your gums all along?
I'm not trying to start a new cult here, or to find a congregation with which I'd best identify. I just asked two simple religious questions out of intellectual curiosity, and got a straight answer to one of them at least.
Originally posted by Elok
Now, please don't use the word 'proactive' again. Please.
Why? As far as I know it's a real word, and as far as I've gleaned from contexts it is used in order to emphasize the fact that the subject is not only acting, but notably going out if his/her/it's way to act with a deliberate plan.
Are you just ribbing because it happened to be part of a classic Simpsons gag, or is this another of your myriad deep-seated O-C English pet-peeves? In case it does strike a nerve like the latter:
The word was made up by the doofus from "seven habits of highly successful people." It was meant to mean the opposite of reactive; in other words, its meaning is basically indistinguishable from that of "active." It's a stupid, stupid word. Which is why it's used to sell things to stupid, stupid people.
And you didn't need to get defensive. I didn't think you were starting a cult, I just wondered why such a belief would exist in the first place. It doesn't seem logical.
Originally posted by Straybow
Monotheism as a concept has no intrinsic value. Whom you worship is more important than how many.
What LOTM said. Plus about 1.4 billion other folks.
Among those 1.4 billion, how many belong to religions that historically persecuted other Monotheistic religions? 99%
QED
The relevance of this?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by Elok
The word was made up by the doofus from "seven habits of highly successful people." It was meant to mean the opposite of reactive; in other words, its meaning is basically indistinguishable from that of "active."
No, anyone who is acting is active. One who is proactive is one who is active in anticipation of a specific problem to be avoided by action. One may be active for many other reasons, including habit, dealing with a past problem (reactive) etc.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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