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    There has to be a connection between these two. I mean, I visited my home this weekend and it was like a bliss. Everything just so calm and nice. Even the youngsters were not causing a lot of ruckus, even though it was a weekend.

    Then again, that place is pretty isolated from the city, so it's a nice neighbourhood by all standards. It wasn't very valuable when we moved there maybe 20 years ago. There weren't much houses around, and my dad built our house. All my friends from that block also had their fathers build their houses, in fact I think everyone in that neighbourhood built their house, so it was kind of a working class area. But not crappy houses, normal and nice houses. It's interesting to look back and see like it is now. There were only few roads, not even asphalt. And the rest of the area was just field. So everyone built their stuff, and now it looks like an upper middle class neighbourhood, and if you want to come in now, well first of all you can't, since there's no free land, but even if you move into a house someone sells, it means you are defienitly making big bucks, you have to have a lot of money to move in now, because the property values have gone up so high even I couldn't afford to get in there now.

    But it wasn't like that when people slowly invaded the area. It's like one of them nice suburbs you see in movies now. So, the surroundings are nice, and I bet that affects the young people living there. There's no crime problem, I think it has like 0 percent crime rate or something. Everyone knows everyone, and everyone new is welcomed to join as well, so it's not a typical place in here.

    It's common that you see kids outside playing in the middle of the night as well in summer. I might stumble drunk as hell, and some 10 year olds pass me. It's just that safe, I think I'm the biggest threat and I visit the place rarely so.. it's pretty safe.

    One of those places where you never see cops. Because they just have nothing to do there. You don't see tags anywhere, no windows broken, nothing. So I started wondering, from the obvious reasons like people being pretty well off, but also the pressure of the local society there. I mean, if you want to be a punk, people just won't tolerate it. I don't recall a single event, where local punks would have ever destroyed any private property. They just smash like the school or something. It's such a huge thing to attack someones property there, because it's not common, so if you want to be a bad ass, it just won't be tolerated and you'll be alone.

    THat's the image I would get from Japan, it just won't be tolerated, it's not only rude, but you'll truly be an outcast should you mess with people there. When you go to other areas, you'll start seeing some problems, but you also notice, that people don't care so much about it. People don't know each other at all, and they act as if it's not their problem. So there's no pressure to do the right thing.

    What do you guys think? I think the pressure is a major factor in it, that it simply is not tolerated. Of course you can't do this afterwards, I mean if the neighbourhood is pretty messed up to begin with, well, there's not much you can do, except try to move out if possible. And if people know each other, I mean you just don't go mess around when your neighbours invite you to eat in their backyard and nice stuff like that. But one more important thing to notice, there IS a high tolerance at the same time, as in I've used to have parties in the backyard, pretty wild ones too. People all drunk, loud music, and no one complains. There are unwritten rules, as in you get to party, as long as it's not every weekend you make noise and interrupt everyone, but then your neighbours get to do it as well, and you should tolerate it as well.

    It works. And I mean wild parties. I think all my neighbours there have seen me naked, drunk, rolling on the ground, doing my backspins while my genitalia is wiggling and rectum showing to everyone interested. So you can do what you want, as long as you keep the peace in the neighbourhood, follow the unwritten rules. And since everyone tries their best, it has become a nice area, and very valuable in terms of property price, and today it is almost exclusive neighbourhood, as in you can't move in unless someone sells, and rarely anyone would sell.
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    Also I want to note, that I DESTROYED our former enemy's nest. Yes, we had these 6th graders, when we were 5th graders, and we got some beef there and we used to have our hangouts. Well, there's lots of forest near, so we had our base and they had theirs. But it wasn't serious, like they threatened to come and demolish our hangout and we said we'd do the same but nothing ever happened, except once they came like 50 meters away from our place and had twigs and said if we come out, they'll beat us. Well, after 1 minute of trash talking they just left. Just that was the biggest stand off with them.

    Anyway, I was walking the forest paths yesterday, just getting some air and running, and I got huge flashbacks and I just had to go see our hangout. Well, it wasn't much of a hangout, more like a spot in the woods. So I had a cigarette and then went to see the enemy's hangout, or their spot. I pissed in the middle of it. I declare us as the winner, they just lost face. I peed on their hangout man, I murdered them!

    I thought, wow, this is petty of me. I felt the sweet victory right there, and you know what? I don't care if it's petty. We won, that's the bottom line, after ~15 years, I'm standing there with my chief out, disrespecting their home base. Where's your twigs now? Come out and play! Little *****es..
    In da butt.
    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
    THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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    • #3
      pekka, this is some classic stuff man. just ****ing classic. :beer:
      The Wizard of AAHZ

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      • #4
        Nah, I think it's just interesting how you can see right away when the neighbourhood is pulling together and is tight. If it's tight, and had a good start, I think chances are it'll stay as a good neighbourhood and also provides the young ones a good platform. Pretty much most people I know who came there are doing really well today, and all by themselves. I can't remember anyone from there really messing it up, except maybe only one became a small time drug dealer and got snuffed, and the this one stabbed another dude, but that's it. The whole record of the area in 15 years or so. Problems tend to build up, so when you have a good base, I think chances are the problems are only going to be very rare and also when one appears, it disappears before time builds on it.

        I think it's just so refreshing. It's safe here as well where I live now, no problem, but I just like the idea of being able to go where ever you want, what ever the time is, alone, and you can be 100% sure no one even shouts at you. You'll be safe in here as well, but you'll bump into few neonazis or wannabe gangbangers with big mouths every now and then. It's not a problem if you're not looking for problems, but I mean, I like that I don't have to watch bold ****ers in my old neighbourhood, hating everyone and with no job.

        Is it a requirement to join the neonazis, that you can't have a job, by the way? And, do you have to hate everyone? I mean they hate black people, jews, arabs, all the other gangs, just everyone who is not them. And the most they hate people who would ever associate with people they don't like, which is everyone again.
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        "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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        • #5
          hell yeah, you gotta snub dat stuff out when it starts, or it gets outta control. my hood is 1 big fam, and "I" run da show. im da OG of the "BASE"
          The Wizard of AAHZ

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          • #6
            So where do you come from?
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            • #7
              born up north, raised out west in cali, and live here in the south... florida to be exact
              The Wizard of AAHZ

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              • #8
                AAaah ok.. But you see, that's a whole different ballgame there. I can't relate to those problems at all. We don't have a gang problem that has escalated to a level where people are shooting each other. That goes for more traditional professional criminals, like biker gangs. Then again, they have gone army style with bazookas and stuff, but they just destroy each other, so .. it's not the same.

                But it's a different game across the pond over there, so.. I guess you could have a tight society, but I don't know what good it would do, there's a whole culture of young people and gang activity. How do you stop that? I don't know. I guess it becomes a real problem when it became a real culture, because when you have a real culture, it becomes tight in itself and you can define yourself through that culture, so you are part of it and it's a bond. But I don't know much about the problem in there, except that it is quite big. I've never heard what the goverment tries to do to make the places better though. I guess they're not really investing in those areas to begin with, so how do you fix them? Also it's a problem when it is statistical if you're born there, that you'll get in trouble. So if you grow up in an environment like that, how do you not fall for the trap? It shouldn't be difficult to stay out, but if it becomes difficult and even preferred choice, something is seriously and alarmingly wrong.

                So I wouldn't know about that, I just like my hip hop, but mostly stuff like Jurassic 5, dilated people etc... that's my only connection to that youth culture
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                • #9
                  dialated people is good, i got some of their stuff.
                  you said bazookas? DAYUM! i cant say ive ever dealt with THAT
                  The Wizard of AAHZ

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                  • #10
                    yeah, but they just use it on each other. Once I was pretty nervous though, because you take biker gangs seriously, because there was this army storage that had a power failure, so the alarms and everything went down, right? So, I was doing my service and we had to go down there to guard it, and we had a 'mission statement' that said if biker gang members should enter and threaten us, we should not step down, and if they are not showing weapons, we should still shoot them, should they try to enter the premises and not obey orders. And should they show weapons, we wouldn't need a warning shot either. I think the advice was to shoot first, and then shoot the warning shot on the ground for the investigators and claim you gave warning first

                    That made a nice little tingle in my head. Yeah, shoot one now and they'll come and rape me after I'm done with the service, possibly torture and throw my body to a river or something.
                    In da butt.
                    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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                    • #11
                      jeezus pekka. sounds like some rough ****! that could mess someone up in the head later. trauma.
                      The Wizard of AAHZ

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                      • #12
                        hah, well that's really nothing though. Chances are no one will show up anyway. And chances are I would have let them steal anything they wanted! I made a promise to not let anyone through and shoot if needed, because those army weaposn would be used by those gangs, guaranteed, so you don't want a bunch of assault rifles, granades and all kinds of stuff lost, but I think I would have peed my pants and said sorry and open the door for them.

                        But it's not a big deal really, they aren't a threat to normal people at all. It's like Yakuza in some way, everyone knows who they are, but they won't mess with you, unless you mess with them.
                        In da butt.
                        "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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                        • #13
                          they have an honor code Pekka. ive heard of this... they wont break the "CODE" no matter what
                          The Wizard of AAHZ

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                          • #14
                            yeah... they can't break it really. And it's for a good reason. I mean, if you'd spread the activity so the normal people have to suffer, that's when the police come hard on you. Now, they're destroying each other so.. no one really is affected by it. They even try to win the hearts and minds of people sometimes, like rallying for a good cause and raising money for an organization etc. It's kind of ironic, but no one really takes it seriously, that they're good guys. But they're definitely seen often as men of honour many times.

                            Chances of you getting hurt in their battles is like being shot by a mob hitman because he thought you looked like someone else. You're more likely to get a stroke masturbating.

                            That reminds me... I figure one of the reasons the goverment in there is unwilling to really try to work the problem in there is because it's mostly gang members shooting each other, as in go ahead and shoot each other, less work for us? Or why do you think not much action is done to help?
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                            "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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                            • #15
                              Did you think of this when in guard duty:

                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              hah, well that's really nothing though. Chances are no one will show up anyway. And chances are I would have let them steal anything they wanted! I made a promise to not let anyone through and shoot if needed, because those army weaposn would be used by those gangs, guaranteed, so you don't want a bunch of assault rifles, granades and all kinds of stuff lost, but I think I would have peed my pants and said sorry and open the door for them.

                              But it's not a big deal really, they aren't a threat to normal people at all. It's like Yakuza in some way, everyone knows who they are, but they won't mess with you, unless you mess with them.
                              If biker gangs want proper assault rifles, what stops them from crossing the border, buying AK-family guns from Russia, and bringing them back to Finland hidden within their cars? RK-62 is just a localized version of AK-47.

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