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    First article:

    Last Updated: Monday, 19 February 2007, 15:57 GMT

    MBNA charges for being in credit

    The MBNA bank has warned customers that they face a £10 fine if they leave a positive balance on their credit card.

    Some cardholders were sent a letter at the end of January telling them that they risk facing what the firm calls a "credit balance service fee".

    The charge will be made on accounts which have been unused for 12 months, the US company said.

    MBNA says the fee will only be levied if customers fail to move the balance following the recent letter.

    Cardholders have been told to avoid the fee by either transferring the money, spending it, or donating it to the company's nominated charity.

    31st March

    Customers have been given until 31 March to follow these instructions or face the fine.

    MBNA also claims that purchases made with credit balances may not be protected under the Consumer Credit Act.

    Mark Bowerman of the Association of Payments and Clearing Services told Working Lunch there is nothing to stop the company taking the fee.

    "The banking industry's general advice is not to run your card account in credit," he said.

    "It is a credit product and should be used that way."

    MBNA is now one of the three biggest credit card issuers in the UK and has grown rapidly in recent years, partly through acquiring smaller rivals.
    Second article:
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    Last Updated: Friday, 23 February 2007, 15:20 GMT

    Lloyds introduces credit card fee

    Lloyds TSB is to impose a £35 annual charge on credit card account holders who do not use their cards.

    The annual charge will apply to "low-usage" customers; including people who do not use their cards at all.

    The bank has written to 50,000 customers to tell them that the charge will be levied on their accounts 30 days from the date of the letter.

    On Friday, Lloyds TSB reported full-year profits before tax of £4.25bn ($8.3bn), up 11% from 2005.

    At the same time, Eric Daniels, chief executive of Lloyds TSB, joined a growing chorus of industry figures questioning whether traditional free current account banking for customers in credit can continue over the long term.

    Mr Daniels said moves by banking regulators to reduce penalty charges could have an impact on the market for current accounts and pointed to other countries where banking charges are routine.

    "If there were to be a reasonably sizeable change (by regulators) then you would probably see a change from some of the players in the UK market," Mr Daniels said.

    However, Mr Daniels did not say that Lloyds planned to introduce current account charges.

    Card charge

    Lloyds TSB would not give a strict definition of what customer activity they define as "low usage."


    This will certainly open the floodgates for other credit card providers
    Nick White, uSwitch

    But they did say that customers who do not use their cards at all can definitely expect a charge.

    "This fee only applies to customers who do not use their cards, there is little point after all having a card if you are not going to use it," a Lloyds TSB spokeswoman told BBC News.

    As a sweetener, Lloyds TSB has offered customers who start to use their cards more regularly a 0% interest rate deal on all new purchases until May 2007.

    Customers who do not plan to continue to use their card and want to avoid the fee should cancel it formally with the bank.

    Formal cancellation entails the customer cutting up the card and telling the provider they wish the account to be closed.

    Fees imposed

    Lloyds TSB's move is part of a growing trend of credit card providers imposing annual fees and charging for switching debt from another card.

    Experts believe that credit card firms are trying to claw-back money they lost when the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) ordered providers to lower the charges they impose on people who miss their card repayments.

    Last May, the OFT told credit card providers that penalty charges would have to fall from about £30 to £12.

    Recently, card provider MBNA said they would start charging a £10 fee on accounts which had a positive balance.

    Lloyds TSB's move could lead to other card providers charging an annual fee.

    "This will certainly open the floodgates for other credit card providers that are still desperately trying to claw back the lost revenue following the OFT's reduction of penalty charges," Nick White, spokesman for price comparison website uSwitch said.

    "The worrying thing is when will this end? Will the 59% of credit card customers that pay their bill off in full every month be penalised next as they are not as profitable as customers that make minimum payments every month?" Mr White added.
    This sounds like something that needs to be highly illegal. If I were a British citizen, it is my money not the bank's. They should be happy I bank with them and not a competitor. Stealing my money would not endear them to me or make me want to continue banking with them.

    I got my first (and only) credit card from Wells Fargo in 2000 I believe. It wasn't until years later that I first used it when I went down to Austin, Texas, for New Year's. After that, it was years again before I started using my credit card on occasion. Sorry, but I simply do not worship at the altar of the plastic god. A friend of mine was 16K in the hole ... before she was 19. Credit cards can destroy lives and given that high schools simply aren't allowed to teach anything other than how to take standardized tests, few people learn useful real-life knowledge like how to manage money wisely before it's too late.
    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

  • #2
    If you don't like it, you're free to go somewhere else.
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    • #3
      Getting $16k in debt by 19 takes more than standard-issue teenage stupidity ...


      As for the fee, there's different banks and, most likely, different account types. Sure, it's a ****ty thing to do, and probably bad PR, but I see no reason why it should be illegal.
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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      • #4
        I'm glad I have no credit card.

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        • #5
          The whole thing is stupid, if a person is not using a card they should cancel it. And conversely, if a person is not using their card or has it in credit then it doesn't cost the bank anything, so the desire to raise a charge is unfounded.
          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dauphin
            ... if a person is not using a card they should cancel it.
            Try renting a car without one.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zkribbler


              Try renting a car without one.
              Having never rented a car I wouldn't know, but what exactly do you need the credit card for that other forms of guarantee wouldn't suffice?
              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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              • #8
                Credit cards can really **** up your economy. As can easy loans by credit institutes. I'm now in a position where I can't pay my debts, following the governments slashing of the unemployment benefits. I lose 20% of my net income because of this. And I have € 14 000 in debt to the credit institutes, and another €10 000 to the National Student Loan Board. Not to mention my rent, cell phone bills, internet, telephone and TV bills... I'm ****ed! But it's no ones fault but my own really...
                I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zoid
                  Credit cards can really **** up your economy. As can easy loans by credit institutes. I'm now in a position where I can't pay my debts, following the governments slashing of the unemployment benefits. I lose 20% of my net income because of this. And I have € 14 000 in debt to the credit institutes, and another €10 000 to the National Student Loan Board. Not to mention my rent, cell phone bills, internet, telephone and TV bills... I'm ****ed! But it's no ones fault but my own really...
                  I'm disappointed you don't blame Reinfelt.

                  Bad commie!
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                  The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LordShiva
                    If you don't like it, you're free to go somewhere else.
                    Not if all the banks start following this trend... that's the problem.

                    Originally posted by Last Conformist
                    Getting $16k in debt by 19 takes more than standard-issue teenage stupidity ...
                    Two car accidents (one totaled) and medical expenses didn't help either...


                    As for the fee, there's different banks and, most likely, different account types. Sure, it's a ****ty thing to do, and probably bad PR, but I see no reason why it should be illegal.
                    Indeed, I'd like to know the account types too. If these accounts have no annual fee like many do (mine doesn't) then introducing a non-use fee seems very underhanded. It would be highly amusing if it turns out that the majority of the letters sent by the bank ended up being delivered to people long-dead, hence the non-use.

                    Originally posted by Dauphin
                    Having never rented a car I wouldn't know, but what exactly do you need the credit card for that other forms of guarantee wouldn't suffice?
                    You'd have to ask the car rental companies and others who demand credit cards or else no business.
                    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                    • #11
                      Reinfeldt didn't put a gun to my head and force me to take those loans...
                      I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zoid
                        Reinfeldt didn't put a gun to my head and force me to take those loans...
                        He should have!
                        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                        • #13
                          When dealing with businesses that require credit card guarantees I have most often found that a debit card works just as efficiently.
                          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DRoseDARs

                            Two car accidents (one totaled) and medical expenses didn't help either...
                            That won't have helped, but it can hardly be laid at the feet of the credit cards, can it?
                            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                            It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                            The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dauphin
                              When dealing with businesses that require credit card guarantees I have most often found that a debit card works just as efficiently.
                              There are people who refuse to use any type of plastic card for financial transactions due to identity theft concerns. That's their right, but how is it right that businesses deny them business if they're willing to pay cash or certified check?
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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