The rationale behind discrediting Liberal Arts

[Whoha]

the question that I'm answering is in the original post that I quoted.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Merkel.

The current President, whose appointment was recommended by the BJP, is a rocket scientist. I kid you not. The Human Resources Development Minister under the last government was a PhD Physics. Here's the resume of our current Prime Minister:

EDUCATION /Qualification:
Stood first in BA (Hons), Economics, Panjab
University,
Chandigarh, 1952;
Stood first in MA (Economics), Panjab University,
Chandigarh, 1954;
Wright's Prize for distinguished performance at St
John's College, Cambridge, 1955 and 1957;
Wrenbury scholar, University of Cambridge, 1957;
DPhil (Oxford),
DLitt (Honoris Causa);
PhD thesis on India's export competitiveness
OCCUPATION /Teaching Experience:
Professor (Senior lecturer, Economics), 1957-59;
Reader, Economics, 1959-63;
Professor, Economics, Panjab University, Chandigarh,
1963-65;
Professor, International Trade, Delhi School of
Economics,University of Delhi, 1969-71;
Honorary professor, Jawaharlal Nehru University,New
Delhi, 1976 and Delhi School of Economics, University
of Delhi,1996 and Civil Servant
Working Experience/ POSITIONS:
1971-72: Economic advisor, ministry of foreign trade
1972-76: Chief economic advisor, ministry of finance
1976-80: Director, Reserve Bank of India; Director,
Industrial Development Bank of India; Alternate
governor for India, Board of governors, Asian
Development Bank; Alternate governor for India, Board
of governors, IBRD
November 1976 - April 1980: Secretary, ministry of
finance Department of economic affairs); Member,
finance, Atomic Energy Commission; Member, finance,
Space Commission
April 1980 - September 15, 1982:
Member-secretary, Planning Commission
1980-83: Chairman, India Committee of the Indo-Japan
joint study committee
September 16, 1982 - January 14, 1985:
Governor, Reserve Bank of India
1982-85: Alternate Governor for India,
Board of governors, International Monetary Fund
1983-84: Member, economic advisory council to the
Prime Minister
1985: President, Indian Economic Association
January 15, 1985 - July 31, 1987: Deputy
Chairman, Planning Commission
August 1, 1987 - November 10, 1990:
Secretary-general and commissioner, South commission,
Geneva
December 10, 1990 - March 14, 1991:
Advisor to the Prime Minister on economic affairs
March 15, 1991 - June 20, 1991: Chairman, UGC
June 21, 1991 - May 15, 1996: Union finance minister
October 1991: Elected to Rajya Sabha from Assam on
Congress ticket
June 1995: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha
1996 onwards: Member, Consultative
Committee for the ministry of finance
August 1, 1996 - December 4, 1997:
Chairman, Parliamentary standing committee on commerce
March 21, 1998 onwards: Leader of the
Opposition, Rajya Sabha
June 5, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on finance
August 13, 1998 onwards: Member, committee on rules
Aug 1998-2001: Member, committee of privileges
2000 onwards: Member, executive committee, Indian
parliamentary group
June 2001: Re-elected to Rajya Sabha
Aug 2001 onwards: Member, general purposes committee
BOOKS:
India's Export Trends and Prospects for Self-Sustained
Growth
-Clarendon Press, Oxford University, 1964;
...also published a large number of articles in
various economic
journals.
OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
Adam Smith Prize, University of Cambridge, 1956
Padma Vibhushan, 1987
Euro money Award, Finance Minister of the Year, 1993;
Asia money Award, Finance Minister of the Year for
Asia, 1993 and 1994
INTERNATIONAL ASSIGNMENTS:
1966: Economic Affairs Officer
1966-69: Chief, financing for trade section, UNCTAD
1972-74: Deputy for India in IMF
Committee of Twenty on International Monetary Reform
1977-79: Indian delegation to Aid-India
Consortium Meetings
1980-82: Indo-Soviet joint planning group meeting
1982: Indo-Soviet monitoring group meeting
1993: Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting Cyprus
1993: Human Rights World Conference,
Vienna

RECREATION:

Gymkhana Club, New Delhi;
Life Member, India International Centre, New Delhi

Name: Dr. Manmohan Singh

DoB: September 26, 1932

Place of Birth: Gah (West Punjab)

Father: S. Gurmukh Singh

Mother: Mrs Amrit Kaur

Married on: September 14, 1958

Wife: Mrs Gursharan Kaur

Children: Three daughters

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Salary is no more valid than anything else if it still amounts to "ask this guy."

But it doesn't. How much someone is paid can be independently verified.

[Patroklos]

But it doesn't. How much someone is paid can be independently verified.

But the numbers don't mean anything. Especially since most of the holier than art crowd already said their supposed superiority isn't because they supposedly make more.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Patroklos
But the numbers don't mean anything.

You're very much in the minority if 20k or 200k a year is all the same to you.

The numbers in people's salaries have pretty big effects on their lives. If you think they do not mean anything, I think you should have long good think of what "mean" means.

Especially since most of the holier than art crowd already said their supposed superiority isn't because they supposedly make more.

And that has what to do with anything?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Ah, so by that reasoning (funding earned by one area applied to another) student athletes are far more important and more intelligent than science students in higher education. Not to mention the workplace.

You must be a ****ing idiot. I didn't say anything about who was worth more or who was more intelligent based on this. I used it to demonstrate why science students care that the liberal arts waste money.

Numbskull.

[Patroklos]

ummm....

The rationale behind discrediting Liberal Arts

That is what we are talking about, right?

You're very much in the minority if 20k or 200k a year is all the same to you.

I never said that, however if we are to use salary as the sole factor to measure who is more valuable, then Dan Marino beats Albert Einstien every time.

And again, if money was everything then why do people follow career paths they know won't make them the most money?

Money isn't everything, so blindly following salary comparison to figure out who is better is folly.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Have we? What world leaders have been physicists?

I can count at least 4...

[Provost Harrison]

Wasn't Angela Merkel a physicist?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Patroklos
ummm....



That is what we are talking about, right?

That we believe liberal arts are useless is taken as a given when discussing our motivation behind disparaging them. Specifically I was responding to this:

Why do you care about that?

[Patroklos]

You must be a ****ing idiot. I didn't say anything about who was worth more or who was more intelligent based on this. I used it to demonstrate why science students care that the liberal arts waste money.

And your just a pouty child who gets all upidy every time someone brings your one liners into context.

Nore are your coments relevent just to you considering what what other people are talking about, ie pay/salary/money generating ability makes science types more valuable.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Patroklos
If Kuci makes 60K being whatever number cruncher he turns out to be when he gets a job, would he rather be a history professor for 70K?

Think higher. That's below average for my school and major.

And TLC is correct.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Patroklos

That is what we are talking about, right?

I'm talking about the value-to-society tangent.

I never said that, however if we are to use salary as the sole factor to measure who is more valuable, then Dan Marino beats Albert Einstien every time.

I don't have a problem with that. Why should I?

And again, if money was everything then why do people follow career paths they know won't make them the most money?

I haven't said that money is everything. It's just a tool for faciliating the exchange of one sort of a good for another. People follow career paths that don't maximize their earnings before they prefer the goods the paths they do take to those they'd get with the extra money from the higher-paying career.

Money isn't everything, so blindly following salary comparison to figure out who is better is folly.

We're not talking about who is "better" in some holistic sense, we're talking about being valuable to society.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

you also have to consider the fact that to become a professor you need a PhD which means you give up your entire youth studying and some people are not willing to give up all the consumption now for more consumption later.

[Kuciwalker]

Also consider that a lot of science is more valuable than it would appear from salaries because it's highly speculative.