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"I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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How needy of you.
That has occurred to me too many times. To the extent that this Indian book portrays it that way (I didn't read that far), I agree with your take, but I would note that this doesn't distinguish the Indian book from Western historical narratives. That doesn't make it RIGHT, mind you, it just means that if it's wrong it's wrong all over the place, not just in India.Crusades are blamed on deterioration of relations between christians and muslims, which is true, but what comes to my mind is that when muslims were attacking, converting, etc,. everything was fine. When they are being done the same - it is wrong, so wrong...
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Yes, very wordy. Lot's of words in there, that's for sure.Originally posted by Heresson
I don't see anything outrageous, while there are things I don't like:
- Mecca depicted as religious center of Arabia prior to Islam; it is a muslim tradition, but in fact it has no basis.
- Umayyads had "christian advisors in administration" - entire administration was made of local people for first centuries of islam, simply because muslims had no experience of administration of empire. It is even more silly that they admit that greek was the first language of administration...
They omit everything controversial, true.
What's biased is crusades part.
Muslims were conquering the world for booty. Christians out of religious zeal. They do not mention persecution of christians, destruction of Holy Sepulchre, bah, they even write that pilgrims were OK.... the only reason for crusades is according to them neophite zeal, which is strange, taking into accound Hungarians and Slavs didn't participate but few in the crusades, and Normans strictly out of political reasons.
"Hostility towards the Muslim world became more pronounced in the eleventh century".
they say, yet, they do not find conquering most of christian and nearly entire zoroastrian world as anything hostile.
As usually, it was necessary to mention the slaughter of Jerusalem, but to mention slaughter of Antioch, Tripoli, Antioch etc, each city with many times bigger population that Jerusalem, it was not found of any use. I doubt it is anything different in any european book, though
Crusades are blamed on deterioration of relations between christians and muslims, which is true, but what comes to my mind is that when muslims were attacking, converting, etc,. everything was fine. When they are being done the same - it is wrong, so wrong...“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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The fact is that you both have a "colourful" (read: racist and bigoted) view of the world influenced by your acceptance of the fundamentals of the caste system ("look, i'm in a great caste! I must be great!") and you have a bizarre hatred for Islam (and ONLY Islam) that does not seem to ever be quite influenced by reason.Originally posted by aneeshm
If this is the level of criticism I'm facing, then I think that the response was more than justified.
Just tell us right now: What is it you have against Islam that prompts you to create these tired threads on it?Comment
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Tacc, whoever you are, don't get him started on that.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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your post is not even wordyOriginally posted by DaShi
Yes, very wordy. Lot's of words in there, that's for sure.
"I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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It would help if it had some egregious errors for us to debunk.Originally posted by Heresson
please someone answer to my postWhy can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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yeah, we needed an executive summary really.Originally posted by DaShi
Yes, very wordy. Lot's of words in there, that's for sure.www.my-piano.blogspotComment
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Blow Job Party? They get my vote every timeOriginally posted by aneeshm
...When the BJP was in power...
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Well they certainly suck, at any rate.~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~Comment
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That is a response.Originally posted by Doddler
yeah, we needed an executive summary really.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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I was thinking the other day, the the middle ages really started completely with the muslims conquest of Syria egypt persia and north africa.
The barbarian invasions changed western europe, but the east and souther shores of the mediterranean hadnt changed that much, were still hellenistic.
Only after that the world was radically different to the point of saying we are in a new age-I need a foot massageComment
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yes, that's my view as well, and there are quite a few people who believe in this."I realise I hold the key to freedom,
I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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The idea is known as the "Pirenne Thesis", after Belgian (what else?
) historian Henri Pirenne.
(My personal view? The Middle Ages begin with the fall of the Western Empire by definition. Whether this was a more significant watershed than the Arabic conquests depends on what region we're talking about.)Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Pirenne's thesis has been largely debunked, IIUC.
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