"Victory Is Not an Option"

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by padillah
So the proper response for the kidnapping of 6 soldiers is a declaration of war?

A group within the Mexican government comes across the border with the US and attack US civilians and captures several US soldiers in the process. The Mexican government lacks the ability or the willingness to get our people back or punish the persons responsible for the act. What do you think is going to happen next?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
A group within the Mexican government comes across the border with the US and attack US civilians and captures several US soldiers in the process. The Mexican government lacks the ability or the willingness to get our people back or punish the persons responsible for the act. What do you think is going to happen next?

We'll send John Joseph "Black Jack" Pershing after them.

[DinoDoc]

He's dead.

[padillah]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
A group within the Mexican government comes across the border with the US and attack US civilians and captures several US soldiers in the process. The Mexican government lacks the ability or the willingness to get our people back or punish the persons responsible for the act. What do you think is going to happen next?

Seeing as how I disagree with the current administration about almost everything they've done thus far... this is a loaded question.

What I would hope happens is we would co-ordinate with the Mexican government to allow our forces to respond to the threat without ruining the infrastructure of the entire country of Mexico.

The fact that Israel and Lebenon couldn't come to some sort of co-ordination of forces is where my utopia breaks down.

Tom P.

[lord of the mark]

well arrian, it seems its not just Iran who thinks the US is a negative force in the region.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070228/...ahmadinejad_dc;_ylt=Aqkcpz6ZRvf_rUEW.psAuq9vaA8F

[mactbone]

Again, if Iran is suicidal, why do they care?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by padillah
So the proper response for the kidnapping of 6 soldiers is a declaration of war?

This is why I can't talk about this stuff with people. I don't agree that anybody's right.

I wish we could put entire countries in timeout.

Tom P.

there was no DOW. In case youve been sleeping, Lebanon invaded Israel in 1948, and there was never a peace treaty that ended that war. Well, Israel did attempt to sign one in 1982, but the president they made the deal with, Bashir Gemayel, was shot right after that and the treaty was never ratified. So Israel and Lebanon continue legally to be in a state of war.

In any case, while Israel certainly made mistakes in the 2006 campaign in Lebanon, the question that came up was whether this was a sign of aspiring to regional domination. I think rather clearly it was not.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
1. Granted that Israel's security situation is different from Iran's. It has also changed over time. I do not, however, agree that it's in an entirely different context (unless you're right about the 12th imam stuff). Differences exist, but we're talking about shades of gray, IMO, not black & white.

2. The NPT is inherently shaky. We have, we don't want you to have. Sign this and we'll let give you some stuff, including some stuff you could use to get what we don't want you to have...

-Arrian

1. Pardon, when country As very right to exist is denied, and country B's isnt, despite them both being de facto and de jure independent states, I find that a big difference. Not just a shade of grey. When Country B is in fact the leading country denying country As existence, that would seem to almost go beyond irony.


Look, If the friggin mullahs are upset about Israel having the bomb, there are some simple solutions. Instead of begging for bilateral talks with the US, let them ask for bilateral talks with Israel. I can assure you the Israelis would be interested. They could talk about their respective nuclear programs, the security fears that lead to them, etc. They could work something out. As long as Iran wont do that, the "poor Iran, we're being bullied, we just want to talk" sh*t goes nowhere as far as im concerned.


2. I think given the goals of al the parties involved the NPT was not all that bad a treaty. Better than not having one.