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I suspect more of WS's readers (at least those who have already heard of Sid) will be as disappointed as I was that Sid is Lutheran, for the same reason.
Why? I didn't get that from the post you made expressing the disappointment.
The WS readership wasnt at issue at that point.
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will be as disappointed as I was that Sid is Lutheran
I'm still interested in the reason for your disappointment.
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Originally posted by DinoDoc will be as disappointed as I was that Sid is Lutheran
I'm still interested in the reason for your disappointment.
Its not that the man's name is Meier. I mean of course I know there are Germans with such names. Its that his first name is Sid. I had an Uncle Sid. I mean Sid was SUCH a Jewish first name, in a certain generation. In my parents generation, to be exact. While SM is a bit young for that, I still well, always assumed ......
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Guilty as charged, it's true. But then again, I didn't expect to get into a debate about the significance of Meier's religion and the atheism of the other game designers mentioned in the article.
Originally posted by Arrian
Guilty as charged, it's true. But then again, I didn't expect to get into a debate about the significance of Meier's religion and the atheism of the other game designers mentioned in the article.
Wecome to Poly. I hope you enjoy your stay here.
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Originally posted by Straybow
Do you think they are going to pass over the contrast between the family-guy Lutheran and the foul-mouthed, violence-loving (or just socially awkward) atheists?
Yeah, atheists love violence. It goes with the territory.
Try following the context, you thin-skinned, violence-loving, baby-killing atheist.
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[q=Straybow]Do you think they are going to pass over the contrast between the family-guy Lutheran and the foul-mouthed, violence-loving (or just socially awkward) atheists?
Wow, I wasn't aware that Will Wright was foul-mouthed and violence-loving. I may have to pick up the new Sims if that was the change made .
Really, its a false comparison. I mean you can refer to Sid's faith without trying to slam atheists in the next breath, especially when, in the article, you mention the atheist Will Wright who is probably as soft spoken as and has less violence in his games than Sid Meier. [/Q]
"(or just socially awkward)"
Do pay attention to the text you are quoting. If you can't follow which phrase refers to the Doom guys and which to Will Wright...
They tended to conflate them together mentioning Wright as an atheist and then talking about Carmack and Romero's Doom. If you aren't familiar with gaming, it is very easy to assume that Wright has done similar games according to the structure of those paragraphs.
Which is why I said it was muddled.
To quote:
Nevertheless, Meier's faith puts him at odds with other game-design geniuses like John Carmack, John Romero, and Will Wright, who are all avowed atheists (and Meier is, incidentally, the only one from this group to have graduated from college). To be sure, Meier has the utmost respect for them and their pioneering work. But it is yet another factor that sets him apart.
When Carmack and Romero decided to introduce blood and gore in their breakthrough 1992 game Wolfenstein 3-D, they voluntarily rated themselves PC-13 for "profound carnage"--a brilliant marketing ploy. Later, when Romero realized Carmack had found a way to enable players to interact with each other on a network, as noted in Masters of Doom, his thought was: "Sure, it was fun to shoot monsters, but ultimately these were soulless creatures controlled by a computer. Now gamers could play against spontaneous human beings--opponents who could think and strategize and scream. We can kill each other! 'If we can get this done,' Romero said, 'this is going to be the f--ing coolest game that the planet Earth has ever f--ing seen in its entire history!'"
It's difficult to imagine the soft-spoken Sid Meier having the same reaction. "Those other guys," adds Bruce Shelley, "you look at their games, what kind of picture are they painting with their games? You look at Sid's games, I think what you're going to find is the kernel of a young man, a little boy, and the things he loved as a kid."
Sure, we who know Wright's line of work realize they just threw Wright's name is as an atheist, and not necessarily blood and gore, but a non-gamer may just see that they are using Carmark and Romero to illustrate one example (Wolfenstein 3D and then how Romero used it for Doom) and Wright is similar.
It seems very awkward to have Wright just smacked in there.
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Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
I dont understand why they would be disappointed due to Sid being a lutheran???
let me be blunt.
WS is a neocon mag, with a limited circulation - kind of a neocon equiv to The New Republic. I suspect that a fair portion of the WS readership is Jewish (as is their ed-in-chief, William Kristol). I suspect most Jews who were aware of Sid Meiers before this assumed (as I did) that he is Jewish . I assume most WS readers who are Jewish and who were aware of Sid, are disappointed that hes NOT Jewish. I beleive such disappointed Jewish WS readers outnumber the WS readers who are thinking "aha, hes Christian and makes a family values game, while all those damned atheists make games that undermine our society".
Its really not as funny when you have to spell it out, like most things, and like Aryan -er, Arrian said, its really a molehill (IE something tiny people are making a mountain out of)
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They tended to conflate them together mentioning Wright as an atheist and then talking about Carmack and Romero's Doom. If you aren't familiar with gaming, it is very easy to assume that Wright has done similar games according to the structure of those paragraphs.
Which is why I said it was muddled.
To quote:
Nevertheless, Meier's faith puts him at odds with other game-design geniuses like John Carmack, John Romero, and Will Wright, who are all avowed atheists (and Meier is, incidentally, the only one from this group to have graduated from college). To be sure, Meier has the utmost respect for them and their pioneering work. But it is yet another factor that sets him apart.
When Carmack and Romero decided to introduce blood and gore in their breakthrough 1992 game Wolfenstein 3-D, they voluntarily rated themselves PC-13 for "profound carnage"--a brilliant marketing ploy. Later, when Romero realized Carmack had found a way to enable players to interact with each other on a network, as noted in Masters of Doom, his thought was: "Sure, it was fun to shoot monsters, but ultimately these were soulless creatures controlled by a computer. Now gamers could play against spontaneous human beings--opponents who could think and strategize and scream. We can kill each other! 'If we can get this done,' Romero said, 'this is going to be the f--ing coolest game that the planet Earth has ever f--ing seen in its entire history!'"
It's difficult to imagine the soft-spoken Sid Meier having the same reaction. "Those other guys," adds Bruce Shelley, "you look at their games, what kind of picture are they painting with their games? You look at Sid's games, I think what you're going to find is the kernel of a young man, a little boy, and the things he loved as a kid."
Sure, we who know Wright's line of work realize they just threw Wright's name is as an atheist, and not necessarily blood and gore, but a non-gamer may just see that they are using Carmark and Romero to illustrate one example (Wolfenstein 3D and then how Romero used it for Doom) and Wright is similar.
It seems very awkward to have Wright just smacked in there.
OMG!!! College dropouts like Carmack, Romera and Wright make violent shootemups, while College Boys like Sid make sophisticated games about History. Damn WS for insulting college dropouts. Its part of their agenda to encourage govt tuition subsidies - er no, wait a minute. Whatever.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It seems very awkward to have Wright just smacked in there.
Maybe the author played Black & White and thinks he makes poo games now hence only deserving of a passing mention?
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