Globalizing industrialist root for Communists against poor peasant protestors

[chequita guevara]

[General Ludd]

Communists and peasants have little in common. Communists are progressive industrialists, with views of the future and technological progress while Peasants live from sustinance with views of tradition and the land.


Communism is for the working man, not the peasant.

[Az]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Didn't you claim before that Jesus was essentially communist?

That was frigging brilliant. I would post 'zing', but I don't think that apolyton allows a font big enough to show the awesomness.

[Eli]

Yes Kuci, you deserve a medal.

[Kuciwalker]

I honestly thought he'd set that up deliberately.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Im not sure what sovereignty has to do with it. Sovereign states can print money, but they have no particular ways to raise real capital that an Indian state doesnt have.

I didnt intend this to criticize the Communist Party of Bengal. While I dont know the details of the land acquisition, and I certainly hope the farmers are compensated, it looks to me like the CP here is doing the right thing. Clearly industrialization through trade and capitalism is the way most likely to achieve development and to help the poor, who are presumably the CP's main constituency.

Two cheers for commie led capitalism.

I don't get the feeling that they are trying to help the poor, and so they probably won't. This kind of policy requires a lot of surplus labor and leaves a lot of people even worse off than they were before.

[lord of the mark]

it absorbs surplus labor. It hires people at higher wages than theyd get otherwise, or else they wouldnt take the factory jobs.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I agree. It really depends on how they are going about it though. After all, collectivization in the USSR was the right thing to do. The way they went about it was beyond ham handed, and was monstrous. The Great Leap Forward was the right thing to do, but it ended up killing tens of millions of people the way it was carried out.

The GLF was the right thing to do only the vague sense that industrializing China was the right thing to do. Industrializing, building factories at this time and in this place, inviting in investment, are in a fairly detailed way the right thing to do. The only question I can see is the amount of compensation paid to farmers, and at WORST thats several orders of magnitude different from the millions of deaths associated with collectivization and the GLF.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
it absorbs surplus labor. It hires people at higher wages than theyd get otherwise, or else they wouldnt take the factory jobs.

I suppose that will depend on how much they export, however, the govt will probably do everything they can to keep wages down and those that stay in the agricultural sector will definitely suffer from the overall plan.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Real commies kill their fathers.

You did say you have custody of your son didn't you? Ahhh proper child rearing.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I suppose that will depend on how much they export, however, the govt will probably do everything they can to keep wages down and those that stay in the agricultural sector will definitely suffer from the overall plan.

What?

[Arrian]

Welcome back, Kid

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Thanx Arrian, and Ogie, I don't teach my son to be a communist.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I honestly thought he'd set that up deliberately.

I didn't. If the comment weren't so damned funny and perfectly timed I'd bother to make a serious comment, but it was brilliant, so I'm letting it go.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
The GLF was the right thing to do only the vague sense that industrializing China was the right thing to do.

Exactly.

The only question I can see is the amount of compensation paid to farmers, and at WORST thats several orders of magnitude different from the millions of deaths associated with collectivization and the GLF.

Well, if they aren't properly (define "properly") compensated, they'll end up in the black hole of Calcutta and live and die horrid miserable lives. I'd consider a job at the factory proper compensation, assuming the job pays decent wages.