Toronto is ridiculously stupid

[Ninot]

Originally posted by Asher

I've taken the streetcar 4 times daily for over 5 months, and it's nowhere near 1 to 2...

Maybe you're just so generous that you let the frail, old and ugly people sit before you do, so it seems much worse?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
Have you ever been to Spadina station's streetcar stop at rush hour? Seriously?

The lineups were down to the subway platform.

Yeah, I know, you see a line of people and there must be thousands of them!

Again, you live in a big city. Not only that, you're living in downtown.

During rush hour, the TTC is crowded. Very crowded. Go take Go take a bus on Don Mills, Jane Street, Duffin Eglinton East or Lawrence East, etc, during rush hour. The bus will be packed. It will be caught in traffic, even with the bus lanes.

And if there's an accident on Eglinton between Yonge and Leslie, a dozen routes can get backed up.

Again, if you don't like it, leave. Or lobby to make a change.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Again, if you don't like it, leave. Or lobby to make a change.

GEE. I wonder what what I'm doing here is.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

I've taken the streetcar 4 times daily for over 5 months, and it's nowhere near 1 to 2...

You've used the TTC five months, presumably one route to work. I was born and raised there, taking every different type of vehicle (including the old trolleybuses) at all different times on many routes. But, yeah, I can see how you're an expert.

This guys stats seem right

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4503.shtml

Regular streetcar has 47 seats and a max capacity of 132, so that's roughly 1 to 2.

If you got different info...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ninot
Maybe you're just so generous that you let the frail, old and ugly people sit before you do, so it seems much worse?

No, it's much worse. There's 2 seats on one side, 1 seat on the other, with about 5 people standing inbetween them. Then there's the doorway of the bus which is always filled with a dozen or so people pressing against the door, ditto for the middle door.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
GEE. I wonder what what I'm doing here is.

Yeah, whining here is going make a big change in Toronto.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
You've used the TTC five months, presumably one route to work. I was born and raised there

And you loved it so much you left.

taking every different type of vehicle (including the old trolleybuses) at all different times on many routes. But, yeah, I can see how you're an expert.

Considering you don't live here and I just took the thing a couple hours ago, I'd say I'm more current.

This guys stats seem right

http://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4503.shtml

Regular streetcar has 47 seats and a max capacity of 132, so that's roughly 1 to 2.

If you got different info...

That's max "comfortable" capacity...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Yeah, whining here is going make a big change in Toronto.

It's a good place to collect and refine arguments that will be put forth later. Unfortunately my arguments were so good all I've got is you being really silly, which is probably the same thing the NDP will do when I bring it up...

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Starchild


I'd say its pretty hard to kill yourself at Westminister Station in London given that there's pexiglass and automatic doors that only open when lined up with a train door between you and the tracks.

How much that *costs* is entirely different.

Sure you can suicide prrof any given small area from jumpers but you cannot suicide proof the outside. The point I was making is that you are merely moving the location of where someone can successfully kill themselves. Perhaps thats all the transport companies can do -- "Please kill yourself elsewhere . . . doing it here disrupts the trains"

[Flubber]

Asher -- ever think of just bicycling or something? Its not so great in the snow but if they have bike paths there it could be good

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flubber
Asher -- ever think of just bicycling or something? Its not so great in the snow but if they have bike paths there it could be good

Riding a bike is suicide in downtown Toronto.

Those damned streetcar tracks too.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher

Riding a bike is suicide in downtown Toronto.

NO bike paths?? Riding the main streets of Calgary would be tough too but the bike paths get you out of the crazy roads

Originally posted by Asher

Those damned streetcar tracks too.

I don't recall these tracks -- Are they any different than an LRT track here-- cause I find those easy to travers as long as you cross them straight across

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flubber
NO bike paths?? Riding the main streets of Calgary would be tough too but the bike paths get you out of the crazy roads

Not a single bike path near me, and the main streets are insanely busy full of terrible Toronto drivers. It's why I don't drive to work at all...

I don't recall these tracks -- Are they any different than an LRT track here-- cause I find those easy to travers as long as you cross them straight across

They're similar but there's way more and they crisscross all over.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Riding a bike is suicide in downtown Toronto.

Those damned streetcar tracks too.

I've never met anyone who is afraid of streetcar tracks, but they really scare you, eh.

Well, I just want to let you know that as one Torontonian to another Torontonian, I'm here for you buddy.

I think what you need to do is to get up close and personal with those tracks. Find a quiet stretch with no traffic, and reach out and touch a track. You might find it terrifying, but you can do it.

Next, get a bike with training wheels and ask your boyfriend to help you learn to ride over the rails. It'll just be a little bump, but again, you can conquer your fears.

And if that's all too much for you, see if there are other people with a phobia abour tracks. Maybe there's a terrified of tracks counselling group you can join.

Of you could pursue your dreams and develop a streetcar-free urban plan for Toronto. Get in touch with Kontiki. He was just short of getting a minor degree in urban planning which like makes him an expert on this sort of stuff.

I'm off to Thailand to hang out on the beach, but while I'm there, and you're freezing your butt off in your new home town, try to remember: streetcars are your friend.

[RedFred]

Well, they are not my friend. I briefly lived by Main Street station in East York. I really didn't appreciate the screeching all night long as they went around the terminus loop.