Alleged UK terror plot to behead a muslim British soldier doesn't make 'poly.

[Cort Haus]

Oh well.

[KrazyHorse]

The fact that 9 people had to get together to plot (and fail) to kill one relatively unprotected and unimportant person tells me everything I need to know about the level of sophistication of these morons.

[KrazyHorse]

Seriously, is this supposed to strike fear into my heart? It makes me laugh, like Richard Reid.

[BeBMan]

Re: Alleged UK terror plot to behead a muslim British soldier doesn't make 'poly.

Last year there were some foiled terror plots which weren't discussed here at all

[Cort Haus]

Of course it remains to be seen whether the police have got it right for a change, and that this isn't another of their blunders.

[mactbone]

What happened with those cops that killed the Brazilian guy? Whatever happened with that?

[Cort Haus]

I dunno, but a lot of people tried to make far too much capital out of it, including silly conspiracy theories and hypocritical Brazilian politicians (whose coppers summarily execute far more people than the Met).

It was a bad mistake, but the reaction was pretty dumb too.

[lord of the mark]

Re: Alleged UK terror plot to behead a muslim British soldier doesn't make 'poly.

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Oh well.

since almost every discussion of such a terr attack ends up with either a pointless discussion of certain verses of the Koran, highlighted by accusations of being either PC or racist, OR ends up being about teh EEVIL bush and Blair have made us all afraid so they can institute a fascist dictatorship, usually moving on to a discussion of Jeb Bush and hanging chads, the 1954 Guatemalan coup, etc, etc, OR ends up being about religion in general and christian fundamentalism in America, with a detailed discussion of what Leviticus says about gays, references to a flying spagetti monster, and a fair amount of pop-Nietzcheanism, OR ends up being about Israel, and we get anything from confused discussions of Turkish land law to accusations of colonialism, racism, antisemitism, etc I have basically given up on Poly as a useful forum for discussing this sort of thing.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Seriously, is this supposed to strike fear into my heart? It makes me laugh, like Richard Reid.

Since youre not a british muslim soldier, Im not clear why it would strike fear into your heart.

The important take aways

1. Brit police did good work, including using the tools currently availble to them.
2. This is a war WITHIN Islam, and the baddies know it, and thats why they target the way they do.

[Cort Haus]

I used to live in the part of Birmingham where some of these arrests were made. Even 15 years ago, long before the current situation wrt religious extremism, gangs of muslim men used to go around with big sticks enforcing their version of the law against prostitutes. It actually became dangerous for women to be out alone, so the area certainly has a long history in 'direct action'.

What's striking - if the story is true, is the policy of intending to murder people from the own 'identity' who work for 'the other side'. This tactic is a staple for secessionist groups who start by murdering those they accuse of being 'collaborators'.

[KrazyHorse]

Since youre not a british muslim soldier, Im not clear why it would strike fear into your heart

a) While they may have been aiming more directly at muslim "collaborators", I have no doubt that they wanted to affect the general public as well

b) My point is that my general level of amusement at their terror skillz should be shared by everybody else. Amusement is the opposite of terror. These guys are anti-terrorists, like the guys in Canada who wanted to blow up Parliament and behead the PM, but who had been under RCMP, US and British supervision since hatching their pathetic plan.

I get the feeling that a lot of the Muslim terrorists who grew up in Western countries are pathetic failures in real life, and thus have a low average ability even in such an undemanding profession as suicidal terrorist in an open, free, multicultural society.

Whoever's left from the PIRA's glory days must be laughing their asses of at this patheticness.

[ColdPhoenix]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Whoever's left from the PIRA's glory days must be laughing their asses of at this patheticness.

"Glory days" is not how I would have described their atrocities.

[KrazyHorse]

I was being mildly ironic in using that term.

The provos committed many atrocities, but:

a) They were far more capable than most of the numbkulls we see today

b) They did not generally aim for maximum carnage, again unlike the new brand of terrorist

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Seriously, is this supposed to strike fear into my heart? It makes me laugh, like Richard Reid.

Wasn't he the gay guy who played the dad on Brady Bunch?

No wonder Florence Henderson was doin Greg Brady.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Since youre not a british muslim soldier, Im not clear why it would strike fear into your heart

a) While they may have been aiming more directly at muslim "collaborators", I have no doubt that they wanted to affect the general public as well

b) My point is that my general level of amusement at their terror skillz should be shared by everybody else. Amusement is the opposite of terror. These guys are anti-terrorists, like the guys in Canada who wanted to blow up Parliament and behead the PM, but who had been under RCMP, US and British supervision since hatching their pathetic plan.

I get the feeling that a lot of the Muslim terrorists who grew up in Western countries are pathetic failures in real life, and thus have a low average ability even in such an undemanding profession as suicidal terrorist in an open, free, multicultural society.

Whoever's left from the PIRA's glory days must be laughing their asses of at this patheticness.

While I agree for the most part about the strategic implications of this, Im not sure about the amusement, which is justified if at all, by the failure of the plot (a failure that may well be due to good police work) In general I dont find retail terror much more amusing than wholesale terror, and I would point out that ones view may be influenced by whether one is on the list of targets.

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