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    American casualties during bush's first 4 years [2 wars] are basically equal to those under Clinton's first 4 years...[no wars]


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    Posted 1/29/2007
    War Coverage: U.S. and Iraqi troops eliminated several hundred terrorists on Sunday, but in the twisted view of the establishment media, this significant victory was outweighed by the deaths of two Americans.
    'Iraqis Raid Insurgents Near Shiite Holy City," says the Washington Post headline. "U.S. Copter Crash Kills 2 During Fight."
    Across the country on the West Coast, the Los Angeles Times was going by the same book. "U.S. and Iraqi forces thwart 500 fighters apparently targeting a Najaf shrine," the Times announced in a sub-headline, but "a helicopter goes down, killing two American troops."
    The deaths of the two brave American soldiers who were killed are tragic. But why lump them in with the successful gains that Americans and Iraqis are making against the insurgency?
    Yes, Americans' deaths are news and their heroism deserves the respect and gratitude of a nation. But it's cheap journalism to use U.S. military casualties to dilute the progress being made in Iraq.
    It is also misleading. While the media are eager to keep a running toll of U.S. soldiers' deaths in Iraq, a look at the data shows that military deaths are not at some all-time high. In fact, they're roughly similar to military deaths in the first three years of the "peaceful" Clinton administration. In 1993, 1,213 American service members died; a year later, 1,075 lost their lives; in 1995, there were 1,040 fatalities.
    Compare those numbers with 2003, the year of the Iraq invasion, when 1,410 soldiers died. Or 2004, when 1,887 died.
    Or look at it this way. During Clinton's first four years, there were 4,302 active-duty deaths. That number rose to 5,187 during President Bush's first four years — years that were marked by two wars in response to the terrorist threat.
    Though the establishment media want to filter the struggle in Iraq through the darkest lens possible, America and its allies are moving forward. In the raid mentioned above, as many as 300 terrorists were killed by U.S. and Iraqi forces. Another 60 were wounded, 120 captured. That's no trivial breakthrough. A world with nearly 500 fewer Islamic militants is a better place.
    That alone is enough to celebrate. But the U.S. military has had a number of meaningful successes in recent weeks. On Jan. 9, U.S. and Iraqi troops killed 50 insurgents. On Jan. 22, 16 terrorists were killed; a day later, another 30 or so.
    If it's body counts the media want, why not compare the few American troop deaths with the many terrorist deaths? Or would that be too revealing?

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    • #3
      Factor in routine noncombat deaths and injuries especially since that is not counted in this survey. The realize that maimed service members suffer life long disabilities which the government must pay for and many more of those occur during war time then at peace. Lastly understand that the size of the service at the start of Clinton's term was much larger then in Bush's term. More soldiers with a lower injury/death rate equals more injuries/deaths. This is an excellent example of how statistics lie and liars use statistics. Especially selectively chosen statistics.
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      • #4
        Factor in thousands killed before we got there and why we got there.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by SlowwHand
          Factor in thousands killed before we got there and why we got there.
          Yes, Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."

          I feel much safer now.

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          • #6
            I find the more interesting comparison to be the war-mongering Clinton indulged in.
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            • #7
              I liked his chart though. No, nothing noticeable in terms of the death rate happening here.
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              • #8
                But one shouldn't knock the comparison. Everyone knows the US was engaged in Iraq from Day 1 of Bush's first term. His term did start on March 20, 2003, right?
                "The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kontiki
                  But one shouldn't knock the comparison. Everyone knows the US was engaged in Iraq from Day 1 of Bush's first term. His term did start on March 20, 2003, right?
                  Plus I think we are to assume soldiers starting committing mass suicide the day Clinton took office. Or something.

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                  • #10
                    Only if they were on ships or embassy duty.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      20=3000

                      Texas math
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                      • #12
                        Math = Math.
                        For fighting an enemy too ***** to distinguish themselves from surrounding civilians, pretty good.
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #13
                          the Los Angeles Times was going by the same book. "U.S. and Iraqi forces thwart 500 fighters apparently targeting a Najaf shrine," the Times announced in a sub-headline, but "a helicopter goes down, killing two American troops."
                          The deaths of the two brave American soldiers who were killed are tragic. But why lump them in with the successful gains that Americans and Iraqis are making against the insurgency?
                          Umm...because they died for those gains? The author smells bias but thinks censoring their sacrifice out of the story isn't bias? I think the author who smelt it, dealt it.

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                          • #14
                            Any way you look at it the death rate has spiked dramatically just as the injury rate has spiked.
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                            • #15
                              More people are dying and being injured. We're at war, that's what happens.
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