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Originally posted by Asher
Oerdin.
Oerdin.
I like how you spin this though. I say Ford's quality is pretty good and back it up with reports and then you attempt to say I'm a Ford lover. Get a grip.
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You seem to be slightly delusional. My argument was about quality. The quality of Ford's products is very good but I don't really fancy any of their designs nor do a great many buyers it seems.
I like how you spin this though. I say Ford's quality is pretty good and back it up with reports and then you attempt to say I'm a Ford lover. Get a grip.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate. -
It's Asher. He probably thinks everyone is passionately in love with one or more corporations.
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Yes, everyone agrees with you. Except it appears most people think differently, and why would that be?Originally posted by Oerdin
You seem to be slightly delusional. My argument was about quality. The quality of Ford's products is very good
Maybe the fact that Fords are pieces of **** and everyone knows it but you."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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It will be again. Unfortunately they are being killed by union costs and their gold plated retirement plan. There just isn't a way to get out from under that obligation short of bankruptcy or somehow convincing the union membership to accept lower pensions and pay.Originally posted by Arrian
Maybe people lend to them because of the name? Ford's been around a long time, and was once a successful company.
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I'd threaten them all with bankruptcy and offer them a deal where they'd get slightly more then what the government pension insurance program offers. If they don't accept the offer then declare bankruptcy, reorganize the company, and ditch all the retirees onto the Federal program. BTW GM can't be that far behind.
Both GM and Ford have long suffered from worthless management. Their quality is good but they never invested nearly enough into the future. When trucks were hot they pilled everything into trucks and SUVs while ignoring their car line ups. Now gas prices are high and people want cars not SUVs. Oppies, they don't have any cars for sale that are any good because they spent the money on releasing yet another SUV instead. That's just bad management.
The unions also share the blame though. Can you believe that their paying those guys around $85k per year to do blue collar work? Screw that they should be making around $35k or $40k tops. Plus the union guys get that $85k even if that factory gets closed down or temperarially closed. They don't even have to work to get the money. That sort of stuff needs to go.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Yeah. So any ways I've said my peace about this thread and I will leave Asher to troll someone else.Originally posted by Arrian
It's Asher. He probably thinks everyone is passionately in love with one or more corporations.
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I don't know if Ford will be successful again. At a minimum, the market is telling us that the company may not be profitable again without restructuring through bankruptcy.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by Oerdin
It will be again. Unfortunately they are being killed by union costs and their gold plated retirement plan.
Oerdin's seeing unicorns, mermaids and other mythological creatures. Gold-plated retirement plans?? 
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You know... if Ford lasts long enough for the Congress to pass an emisions cap and trade program, they'll be a big winner."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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WTF? Ford in Europe is crap.
There is a reason for the saying "Fix Or Repair Daily".You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.Comment
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It's funny, though, that Ford's #1 priority was quality or reliability or something, until they realised that they're probably better off saying "Innovation is Our Mission."Originally posted by Oerdin
You seem to be slightly delusional. My argument was about quality. The quality of Ford's products is very good but I don't really fancy any of their designs nor do a great many buyers it seems.
I like how you spin this though. I say Ford's quality is pretty good and back it up with reports and then you attempt to say I'm a Ford lover. Get a grip.THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
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Prediction: either Ford or GM will eventually be taken over by Chinese investors."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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Ford is crap and you know it, Oerdin.
JD Power & Associate's quality studies are crap, and you know that too.
The simple fact is Ford is a crap brand with crap quality and crap business decision-making ability. Crap crap crap."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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That will never happen. You think people got upset with Dubai? How do you think they'd react to China buying a critical wartime industry?Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Prediction: either Ford or GM will eventually be taken over by Chinese investors.Comment
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Well then they'd really start making crap. Pinto level crap.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Prediction: either Ford or GM will eventually be taken over by Chinese investors.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Dubai = Arabs = our enemiesOriginally posted by Kuciwalker
That will never happen. You think people got upset with Dubai? How do you think they'd react to China buying a critical wartime industry?
China = our creditors and next world power
People will piss and moan, but that's it.
Besides, the Dubai thing was about a government-sanctioned port deal; this woudl be a private transaction (which is not to say that the govt wouldn't try to stick it's nose in, but it wouldn't have much luck).Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly; January 25, 2007, 20:42."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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